Will Elon give Autopilot free for 2018 or early 2019 buyers

[Fernand]

Anybody who wanted basic basic got it cheap, $35k as promised. And those of us who accepted that Tesla with automation was not a lowball car got midrange w/ EAP, and are happily navigating the freeways on autopilot. If you didn't, get yer FSD now so you're not complaining next year.

Everybody wants the best, they want it cheap, and they want it now. Maybe wait a decade for everybody to catch up and even the cheap cars will be AI driven.
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[OCR1]

Tesla is still subject to the same supply and demand economics as any other car manufacturer. When I bought my car in early 2019 they had a lot of excess inventory so they were offering some discounts and incentives to move cars along. Tesla currently has zero inventory and a 7-10 week lead time so I would not expect them to offer any discounts. It has nothing to do with the “dealership” experience. It’s just basic supply and demand.

 

[ljkelley]

OK, then how about I’m just tired of hearing, and I quote, “Not fair!”

I picture there’s foot stomping involved too.

Point is, sales happen. Prices change. Way of the world. Suck it up, buttercups.

And people go on the internet and complain on a forum. Don't like it, don't read.

SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUPS.

 

[Knightshade]

Hmmm, I am not sure what I am missing here, but it seems you got the terminologies wrong.

Nope, you do. Let's illustrate!

EAP (known now as Autopilot)

That's wrong.

EAP includes a bunch of features you do not get with the new, included, autopilot package.

In fact, you need to buy FSD, for $7000, to get the same features you got with EAP in 2018.

The models I compared are Exactly the same except for HW3.0 coming standard now and the minor ones you mentioned.

No, they really aren't.

EAP and AP aren't the same thing.

They're many thousands of dollars apart in features.

Your car example in 2018 turned out cheaper than one that has the exact same things in late 2019 (or today) as my accurate correction of your math demonstrated since you need to add FSD to the late 2019 one to get all the things EAP included. And even when I added FSD to both to make it true apples-to-apples (insuring HW3 in the 2018)- the 2018 came out cheaper by about $1500 net of the tax credit

 

[Vegaforce]

EAP and AP aren't the same thing.

Interesting, I did not know that!
In retrospect, if I knew this, I would have gladly coughed up the $3000 to add it. But I clearly remember when I bought the car the $3000 AutoPilot description did NOT include “summon” (this is the feature I am dying to get due to my small garage space). Summon was part of the FSD package IIRC.

Honestly, Tesla keeps changing things around, it is hard to keep track.

 

[MexiCanuck]

When I see some of my friends who are getting Model 3 late in 2019 (and now in 2020 too) that includes 'Free Autopilot', I kinda keep thinking/hoping that someday Elon will give that same functionality (Enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically for other vehicles and pedestrians within its lane.) for us buyers who in fact paid more $$ being early birds. This same functionality is listed as $3000 now when I click on 'Upgrades' link in the app, and indeed I paid probably $8k more compared to SR+ that is being sold now. Not fair !

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I don’t understand how it is not fair.

Were you a willing buyer buying from a willing seller in 2018? Did it seem fair then? I’m guessing the answer is yes or you would not have bought.

Presumably some others decided to not buy then. The price and features of the car changed over time. Possibly some of them became willing buyers later.

I decided to not buy in 2018. I was a willing buyer in May 2019 and bought red exterior and white interior at additional costs. In September 2019 buyers were getting two options free. Some of those willing buyers got red & white with no extra costs.

Fair enough.

 

[OCR1]

I don’t think it’s fair that I have to pay $538 for a share of Tesla stock when they were offering it for $185 less than six months ago.

 

[Big Dog]

Interesting, I did not know that!
In retrospect, if I knew this, I would have gladly coughed up the $3000 to add it. But I clearly remember when I bought the car the $3000 AutoPilot description did NOT include “summon” (this is the feature I am dying to get due to my small garage space). Summon was part of the FSD package IIRC.

Honestly, Tesla keeps changing things around, it is hard to keep track.

When the 3 was originally sold, the options were EAP and FSD. (EAP got the good stuff available available today.)

Then Tesla dropped the EAP option, and offered only AP and FSD.

Now AP is included in the MSRP, and FSD is the option.

 

[Knightshade]

Interesting, I did not know that!
In retrospect, if I knew this, I would have gladly coughed up the $3000 to add it. But I clearly remember when I bought the car the $3000 AutoPilot description did NOT include “summon” (this is the feature I am dying to get due to my small garage space). Summon was part of the FSD package IIRC.

Honestly, Tesla keeps changing things around, it is hard to keep track.

Prior to ~Feb 2019 your options on the 3 were:

EAP- 5k (more after purchase)- which gave you everything new FSD cars currently get (other than the HW3 upgrade)
FSD- 3k (more after purchase)- which gave you....0 features so far but you'll get the HW3 upgrade, plus any new still-to-come features.


After that you briefly had a choice of:

AP- (2k at purchase 3k after I think?) that gave you nothing but TACC and autosteer in a single lane
FSD- 6k (now 7k) that gives you everything else EAP used to have (Nav on AP, summon regular and advanced, auto park, auto lane change, etc) plus the HW3 upgrade and all future features.

Then soon after they raised the price of all the cars (but the base SR) by 2k, and made basic AP "free"


Anyway, bottom line, the 2018 car is about the same price (net of tax credit) as an actual apples to apples car is today.

There's not been the "massive" price cut folks keep thinking there has been.


For that you need to talk to some Model S P100D folks.

 

[ZappCatt]

Yes, free upgrade to FSD for any employees who purchase now.

See what Carmax/Carvana will give you for your car and see about getting a new car with all the bells and whistles including FSD!

 

[OCR1]

See what Carmax/Carvana will give you for your car and see about getting a new car with all the bells and whistles including FSD!

And pay the sales tax and registration fees all over again? Why not just take all that money and buy FSD.

 

[hmmwv]

You got the god dammit FRUNK CARGO HOOKS so stop complaining!

 

[SageBrush]

Anyway, bottom line, the 2018 car is about the same price (net of tax credit) as an actual apples to apples car is today.

That is about right but ymmv depends on what you want to pay for.

In June 2018 I paid ~ $51k before tax credits for a silver Model 3 LR without AWD or any driver assist package. At the time the federal tax credit was $7,500 maximum and Colorado offered a $5,000 tax credit. I ended up collecting $8,300 in tax credits so my OTD cost not including TT&L was ~ $43k.

Today, if I lived in Colorado I would buy the white LR that has basic AP and AWD included and would pay $50k and get $5k back in state tax credit for an OTD cost of $45k.

All told, buying today would get me pearl white at no extra cost and I would pay $2k extra for AWD and basic AP. I personally think it is wonderful that Tesla is adding value at very moderate cost. Win win for both the company and the consumer and I do not begrudge the advance of technology at all.

Addendum: Seems fair to point out that had I been able to take advantage of the full federal tax credit of the time my OTD cost would have been ~ $3k less. From that POV the current LR-AWD-AP has increased in price ~ $5k over my non AWD, non AP model 3. That sounds pretty price stable for people who want the tech options.

 

[ElectricIAC]

Call it a wash if you collected the full tax credit especially if you came from an ICE car and saving money on traditional running costs.

We waited for the crazy part of the market to shake out and got pretty smoking deals in exchange for our patience (We also had BMW leases due to mature at the end of last year and later this year)

 

[focher]

Another thread that needs to be accompanied by a cheese platter.

 

[Asterix187]

Hmmm, I am not sure what I am missing here, but it seems you got the terminologies wrong. EAP (known now as Autopilot) was a separate package in 2018 independent of the FSD. Check my cost breakdown. EAP used to cost $3000 and FSD cost $6000 (you could save $1000 if bought them with the car).

Now all Teslas come with Autopilot standard (will cost me now $3000 to enable). The models I compared are Exactly the same except for HW3.0 coming standard now and the minor ones you mentioned. Besides the $10k price difference entails a higher tax depending on where you live.

this is not quite correct as EAP also includes things like smart summon which is an FSD feature not an autopilot feature.

 

[Misternt]

I don’t think they have any intention of giving it away. My car from March 2019 did not come with autopilot. They recently added a button in the app to buy upgrades mine shows AP and FSD as options.

Maybe they’ll run a sale on AP ($3000 is not worth it to me). I really doubt it’s going to be free.

 

[SlimJim]

When the AP became included for "free", the price went up by $2000.
But the purchase option for everyone who don't have it is $3000.
Close the gap and more people will buy it.

 

[Glamisduner]

However much jacked up, a comparable SR+ costs $8k less than MR3 price in late 2018 or early 2019

Why all the thumbs down? My p3d- was 75k the same car now is 59-60kk. That it's with FSD added to mine after the fact at 2k. Tax credits were supposed to go to the buyer not the car manufacturer but even so the car now is cheaper and does not have to go in for service to fix paint and alignment issues for the first 6-8 weeks of ownership.

Remove FSD and EAP, and my car was $68k It now sells for $53k with AP?....ok yes we got 5k back after enough whining , so basically yes AP is free now... Plus you get to not pay tax, interest, registration fees on that 10k price difference.

But no Tesla will only piss people off if they gave away AP now, since that is the feature most EAP purchasers really wanted in the first place. That would really suck for EAP and FSD purchasers.

 

[dmurphy]

That would really suck for EAP and FSD purchasers.

What someone else gets, or doesn’t get, in their vehicle has no bearing whatsoever on anyone else.

I’m so tired of thread after thread of “But daaaaad Joey got an extra nugget in his happy meal, I want one too!!!” around here.

It’s just like Roulette in the casino. Every spin of the wheel has NOTHING to do with the next... but yet, the casino posts that board showing the last 20 numbers. It’s got no bearing whatsoever - the idea of a “number being due” is a figment of imagination.

Same with buying a Tesla. Each purchase has nothing to do with another. They’re wholly unrelated. Nobody’s “number is due” ... You bought what you bought, and if someone ends up with something else ... Mazel tov.