Work in progress: stalks on 2021 Model S. (and optional round-y wheel)

[4SUPER9]

Well done indeed. Is this a one off project or do you plan to market this conversion ?

Ditto. I am willing to buy. Even more if you can get gears working.

 

[borconi]

Gear selector is slightly more difficult to read out and to implement as well.... but surely doable.
At this stage, all this needs quite some mod-ing, and soldering.... so not in the state to be an off the shelf product, but there are more parties interested in this development so I'm sure eventually either one of us, either a collaboration between us will end up in an off-the shelf, relatively easy to install product.

I'm a heavy promoter of making this into an off the shelf product, because I'm confident enough there is a real need for this on the market, not to mention if rumors are true about project highland being stalkless as well, it will quickly escalate to new levels.....

 

[dance.parrot]

Well done indeed. Is this a one off project or do you plan to market this conversion ?

I don't have any plans to commercialize this, but there are other smart people on this thread who might.

 

[DayTrippin]

When I had contact with Enahuto (aka S3XY buttons) they were looking at doing something with stalks retrofit. That might be one avenue already underway. Another option would be to crowdfund it like a kickstarter campaign.

I think this could be something very commercially viable if stalks are totally removed from the upcoming 3/Y. The market for this could be huge.

 

[beatle]

I think this could be something very commercially viable if stalks are totally removed from the upcoming 3/Y. The market for this could be huge.

If so, I hope the 3/Y continues to share components that are compatible with the S/X.

 

[MarcG]

If so, I hope the 3/Y continues to share components that are compatible with the S/X.

I guess we'll find out soon, the new/refresh 3 is apparently due imminently

 

[jeff4040]

I have the turn stalk working via the ffc output and simple LIN injection.

Can someone who has done the drive side give some tips around how the drive stalk works? I am reading the drive side ffc output and the closest I got is some sort of hall effect output?

BTW, thank you to everyone in this thread, I was able to hobble a basic solution for the turn signal side up in a couple of hours with almost zero hardware knowledge.

 

[KJD]

I shopped the "make this into a thing you own and sell/support" around to many people but no one actually took me up on it. I tried, but it is probably too niche to catch on. (though with tesla deleting stalks on other vehicles, that may change. I simply don't have time to support this and do it "right", and there are significant downsides to just dumping all the info I have, unfortunately. There is still useful info on my youtube channel for folks who want to dig in.

Now that they have made the same mistake on the Model 3, any chance you would reconsider this decision ?

 

[Atraf]

Now that they have made the same mistake on the Model 3, any chance you would reconsider this decision ?

They are for sure going to do the same on the Model Y refresh that is 100% in the works already, meaning going forward all Teslas will have no stalks (which means I'm pretty much done with Tesla, at least until such time that this kind of solution will be made available for purchase, Tesla change their mind or everyone follow suit and I have no choice)

 

[kaamaan]

I'm done with Tesla too....

 

[DayTrippin]

I think there is going to be a huge aftermarket demand for a stalk kit once the masses have to deal with the POS design the stalkless cluster truck is that Elon foisted upon us S and X owners. Can't hide from the horde of likely pissed off 3/Y owners on this one.

 

[4SUPER9]

I think there is going to be a huge aftermarket demand for a stalk kit once the masses have to deal with the POS design the stalkless cluster truck is that Elon foisted upon us S and X owners. Can't hide from the horde of likely pissed off 3/Y owners on this one.

Totally agreed, as I and others have said. I was in the Tesla SC a few weeks back, and they thought I was silly for not liking the lack of stalks, and felt it would be a huge success. Like we are some small vocal minority or something. Yeah, Tesla is in for a serious surprise, and maybe even a few lawsuits when the sh!t really hits the fan.

 

[strider]

I think there is going to be a huge aftermarket demand for a stalk kit once the masses have to deal with the POS design the stalkless cluster truck is that Elon foisted upon us S and X owners. Can't hide from the horde of likely pissed off 3/Y owners on this one.

One thing to keep in mind everyone. The Refresh S/X used the same steering column as the "stalked" 3/Y. The mechanical attachment points for the stalks are there - you just have to buy the stalks and column shroud that had the openings for the stalks. Do we know if the Highland 3/Y column is the same as the old one or did they simplify it to remove the stalk attach points? I could see Tesla going either way. They could keep using the old one to save on design and re-tooling time plus they will have plenty of spares for the OG 3/Y. But removing those stalk attach points would make the Highland 3/Y columns cheaper to produce so I could see them redesigning it without those attach points.

If it's the latter, developing a stalk kit for the Highland 3/Y will be more involved than the Refresh S/X as they will have to build something for the stalks to attach.

 

[MarcG]

One thing to keep in mind everyone. The Refresh S/X used the same steering column as the "stalked" 3/Y. The mechanical attachment points for the stalks are there - you just have to buy the stalks and column shroud that had the openings for the stalks. Do we know if the Highland 3/Y column is the same as the old one or did they simplify it to remove the stalk attach points? I could see Tesla going either way. They could keep using the old one to save on design and re-tooling time plus they will have plenty of spares for the OG 3/Y. But removing those stalk attach points would make the Highland 3/Y columns cheaper to produce so I could see them redesigning it without those attach points.

If it's the latter, developing a stalk kit for the Highland 3/Y will be more involved than the Refresh S/X as they will have to build something for the stalks to attach.

I don’t think any Highland Model 3s have been delivered yet. Earliest is next month in Europe.

 

[strider]

I don’t think any Highland Model 3s have been delivered yet. Earliest is next month in Europe.

Yes, but people are citing the lack of stalks in the Model 3 as an expansion of the TAM for a stalk retrofit from only Refresh S/X to all Model 3s (and I'm sure eventually Ys). My point is that it may require different kits as we don't yet know if Highland has the same steering column internals as the current vehicles.

 

[Gninoked]

Yes, but people are citing the lack of stalks in the Model 3 as an expansion of the TAM for a stalk retrofit from only Refresh S/X to all Model 3s (and I'm sure eventually Ys). My point is that it may require different kits as we don't yet know if Highland has the same steering column internals as the current vehicles.

Exactly correct. We should see soon. I'm guessing they didn't redesign this one yet. Next gen car will likely be the complete replacement (Model '2' or whatever plus and derivatives. Could also be on the CT given all the time they've had to make engineering changes while waiting for the 4680 pack to be ready?)

 

[Atraf]

Via S3XY Stalks coming mid 2024
Looks like "S3XY Buttons" will be able to do gear change + they are 'soon' coming out with stalks:

Hey everyone! As most of you have seen, the new Model 3 Highland is available for pre-order in Europe and Asia, and to no surprise, it does not have any stalks for: blinkers headlights wipers gear shifting ​ Tesla took this approach after testing their Model S and X 2021+ on customers, and with this done they are able to save some money from the hardware and make the car cheaper. Unfortunately, many people are not too happy to see this change... But that's where we come in. During the last 3 months, we had a side project... Part of the team worked on it with members of the Tesla community and we were able to replicate the signals for all of the above actions and integrate them into commands sent from the stalks to the canbus. That way, people from our Beta group with the yoke were able to have their stalks back and use them in real-life scenarios. So now that the proof of concept is there, we will start thinking of a way to create the hardware for it. We already found a good partner that can help us with that so hopefully in the next month we can have our first official prototype in-house and see how much more work we need to put into it. However, until then, everyone who owns the model S/X with the yoke steering wheel or will receive their new Model 3 Highland, will be able to use the S3XY Buttons for all of the functions the stalks can do. And in a month or so the S3XY Buttons will be able to do gear-shifting as well, so the setup will be complete. All of you who are waiting for your suggested features to be implemented in the current Commander or the S3XY Buttons, we have not forgotten about you. We are creators at heart and we might get carried away a bit when new opportunities present themselves, but we will never leave our wonderful community behind. We are super happy to announce that after 2 months of searching, we were able to find the right people to join our small team, so soon after they're all caught up, we will be able to push updates more regularly. So please be patient with us and know that everything we do is for you guys. As always, if you have any questions or you want to share your thoughts with us, feel free to join our community on Discord. There are a ton of great people in there and everyone is very helpful, so it is a good place to be. Stay tuned! A lot of exciting things are coming! Best Regards, Enhance Team

 

[strider]

Don't the buttons work via bluetooth to a hard-wired controller? I worry there will be lag. Plus wasn't Ryan warning about using canbus for everything and instead suggested lin? Anyway, glad someone is stepping up with a solution. The hardware may be tricky though depending on how highland is actually built.

 

[Proppilot]

Enhance seems to have solid products that have been stable. I checked out their site and they have a nifty rotary controller releasing next month for the 3/Y folks. I have followed these threads for two years with all of the attempts (and successes) and Enhance seems to actually be close to commercially offering a solution. I cannot imagine an lag being perceptible. I just ordered the Commander module and a couple of buttons to play with and am super impressed with what their stuff can do.

 

[coryjfowler]

Nice! I love me a good Arduino meets vehicle communications project. I'm scouring this website looking for anyone that has done similar with the headlights though and this came up in the results.