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Problem is the nanny takes over so skilled driving is useless because you are no longer in control. In my younger years my fun was to go out in the worst and biggest snow storms just because I love driving in the snow. Even did a few controlled 360's on the highway at about 60 mph, hand brake, steering wheel input and throttle and a bit of knowhow was all it took. Obviously did this when no one was around. Today that would be impossible as the roads are full 24/7 and we are uber nanny protected.Agreed, but for skilled drivers in snow conditions always going a bit sideways, if one wishes to, is just so much fun!
I would always take my RWD car to a parking lot and turn off TC then have some fun during the first decent snowfall of the year (or torrential rain). It's good to practice car control and know what your (and your cars) limits are.Agreed, but for skilled drivers in snow conditions always going a bit sideways, if one wishes to, is just so much fun!
Having driven in the snow for over 45 years I must say the Y is the quirkiest of any AWD vehicle I have ever driven. Since the rear takes off slightly all the time if one accelerates too quickly on snow cover roads it is rather unnerving at first. Once one gets used to it no issue as the nanny control really does a good job of correcting in no time at all. Most people will not get used to this, the system is flawed. Best bet is to use chill mode and the least amount of regenerative braking possible. This issue would easily be resolved if it had a snow mode which would change the bias to front slippage as oppose to rear IMHO.
One of my favorite memories is watching a Porsche do a total 360 on the highway next to me while driving in winter in Missouri, though it didn't look quite controlled. White faced with hands frozen to the wheel, he ended up facing the right way and still on the road. One thing I noticed was that one continues in the same direction when that happens, no matter which way the car is pointed, so he didn't interfere with the rest of the traffic.Problem is the nanny takes over so skilled driving is useless because you are no longer in control. In my younger years my fun was to go out in the worst and biggest snow storms just because I love driving in the snow. Even did a few controlled 360's on the highway at about 60 mph, hand brake, steering wheel input and throttle and a bit of knowhow was all it took. Obviously did this when no one was around. Today that would be impossible as the roads are full 24/7 and we are uber nanny protected.
Trust me, all season tires just do not hold up in bad weather conditions. I don't care if they have the mountain and snowflake on them, all seasons are constantly poor performers in bad weather. If you adjust your driving style a lot then the all season tires might get you past a day or two of bad weather but if you have any kind of winter (at least a handful of snow days a year and weeks of temperatures down near freezing) invest in winter tires.
This is a little misleading. Not all A/S tires are the same. Many are actually quite terrific in wet conditions, and have very good hydroplaning resistance.All season tires do NOT work well in winter weather. All season tires are mainly for low temperatures. Get a lot of water on the road or any amount of slush and snow and they just don't work nearly as well as everyone thinks. If you have standing water on the road you need to seriously slow down, especially with any tire designed for an EV, they just don't have the large deep tread blocks to pump that water away. If you are hydroplaning your car is literally not touching the road surface so to expect it to handle better in that condition is just kind of a joke.
Just a matter of perspective... If it's cold and dry most of the time, winter tires tend to do worse than all season tires, so just because you're rolling on winters doesn't mean you have the "best" for winter, if there is no snow on the ground. I've also seen tests where winter tires can also do worse in wet/rainy conditions than an all season, But again, my main point earlier, is that not all tires are the same, regardless if it's A/S or winter, so simply saying like you did earlier, that A/S do not work in winter, was misleading. That was the only point I was making.
I live on the top of a hill, and have driven in plenty of packed/glazed snow on our hill over the years. I have NEVER needed to chain up to get up our hill. For the past 15+ years, I've mostly been rolling on some iteration of the Conti DWS. I even have a coworker that has the exact same car that I used to have, and he used to always lament about how he goes thru so many sets of chains just to make it up our hill. He's always been rolling on OEM A/S tires, or more recently the Eagle F1 Asymetric A/S or the older Pilot Sport A/S, both of which suck in the snow. I have also driven to Mt Hood to ski many times, even when there were carry traction devices/chain mandates. I haven't actually had to chain up yet. One time I even had to pull over, to let my friend following me chain up becuase they got stuck near the resort and couldn't make it up the hill.
Like I said, it doesn't snow enough around here for me to justify getting a dedicated winter tire. I see lots of people around me running studded tires from Oct thru March... Sure you can plan for the unexpected, but I personally think it is dumb to put on tires to make it so you can get better performance for the 2 days you might need it, while giving yourself worse performance for the rest of the time (mostly speaking about studded tires)... Every year, come halloween, I see everyone and their brother putting on studded tires on their cars, and then keeping it on until spring. One time it was still right before the cutoff for when you couldn't use studded tires, and the fool next to me at my kid's karate was running on studded snow tires, when it was sunny and almost 70 degrees outside, but still within the allowed time restrictions for studded tires...
For Cold/dry and Cold/Wet, A/S tires are perfectly fine, as well as the occasional snow, given you choose a good A/S. (100% of the people I've helped on our hill that got stuck, didn't have any idea what tires they had on their car. It was always whatever was cheapest, or whatever it came with). Honestly, if it only snows for a few days out of the year, you're better off just staying home anyways, regardless if you have winters... It's not so much what YOU are running, it's what EVERYONE ELSE is running that worries me when it snows. But regardless, I always carry chains just in case, which many around here don't even do that. Everything is a trade off... I'd rather just run a good A/S and carry chains just in case it gets too hairy, then swap to a winter tire and give myself worse performance for a good chunk of time just in case I need better performance for a tiny slice of time.
But of course, if you are planning on regular drives in snowy conditions, especially thru passes, then by all means, Winters make sense...
all seasons are great in wet... not sure about cold and snow, but I felt like a god on the road course (not in my Tesla) when it rained and many others were using performance tires... passing people left and right... until a Subaru blew by me There's always a bigger fish!This is a little misleading. Not all A/S tires are the same. Many are actually quite terrific in wet conditions, and have very good hydroplaning resistance.
Here is a video from one of my favorite tire reviewers, comparing the Michelin X-Ice Winters, with Pilot Sport 4S Summers and Pilot Sport A/S 4, all on the same car... The Pilot Sport A/S 4 is actually pretty decent in the snow, and not as terrible as you make A/S out to be. Still not a replacement for a winter if you really have a lot winter conditions to deal with, but for the folks that only see snow for a few days out of the year, it is more than sufficient.
X-Ice vs Pilot Sport A/S 4 vs Pilot Sport 4S