I'm sure this has been discussed, and also considered internally by Tesla. However with such a low 'take-rate', wondering if this move isn't in the cards for the future. What are your thoughts? I'm on the fence with paying the $10k as it is in my order, but if it stayed with me and not the vehicle it would be a no brainer. Understood they're only going to increase the price over time, but I think that will push the take rate even lower, and I guess we'll see- but I don't suspect the subscription service will be very successful either.
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Would you pay for FSD if it stayed with the owner, not vehicle?
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SilentWarp
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Since its available as a subscription, why pay the full cost up front?
What if it sucks? What if the price drops? What if the government or Tesla lawyers rollback previous capability? I understand of there was a hardware investment, but this is software only. Pricing has to drop at some point, to get existing users to get it.
What if it sucks? What if the price drops? What if the government or Tesla lawyers rollback previous capability? I understand of there was a hardware investment, but this is software only. Pricing has to drop at some point, to get existing users to get it.
No. Why would I pay $10K for a system that remains a fantasy at this point? I might buy it if and when it works. I really hope it is a reality by the time the kids come to take the keys away (not so long now 
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eeee-meeee
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No. Why would I pay $10K for a system that remains a fantasy at this point? I might buy it if and when it works. I really hope it is a reality by the time the kids come to take the keys away (not so long now
Mostly because you can finance the price in, ran plopping down cash later on. The difference in financing vs subscription also isn't 1 for 1, much "cheaper" to finance in montly, at least for me
It all depends on the cost for a FSD lifetime subscription but you gotta know Tesla will rip you a new one so call it $25k-$30k. One thing for sure, Tesla never offers a bargain.
The price tag is ridiculous and in no way commensurate with today's performance. It's priced like a certified perfected automated driving app for a small FOMO crowd. That will last for a bit and then Tesla will need to get more aggressive with pricing to increase buyer demand. $12k works if the plan is to overcharge Uber and Lyft for future robotaxis service.
Eventually Tesla could spin off the FSD program so it's more available to other vehicle manufacturers without being a Tesla liability.
The price tag is ridiculous and in no way commensurate with today's performance. It's priced like a certified perfected automated driving app for a small FOMO crowd. That will last for a bit and then Tesla will need to get more aggressive with pricing to increase buyer demand. $12k works if the plan is to overcharge Uber and Lyft for future robotaxis service.
Eventually Tesla could spin off the FSD program so it's more available to other vehicle manufacturers without being a Tesla liability.
preilly44
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I'm guessing Tesla spent a bit more on programmers and hardware (servers) for FSD than they did for Homelink....
Threads where this has been discussed, either in full or as part of the thread discussion. Found by searching TMC for "can FSD transfer with owner". Many with dozens or even hundreds of posts. Not all inclusive by any means:
Why is FSD not transferable to your next Tesla?
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FSD license should be tied to owner not vehicle
I've actually loved my M3P and Tesla ownership so much that I thought about upgrading to a S. This would make Tesla more money, but because I bought FSD I feel like I will have to own this purchase until the body panels fall off. Isn't the FSD feature transferable to the new owner, and as...
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Subscription model (FSD etc.)
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Is $10K too much?
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Do I Own the Software in my Model 3?
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Help me understand FSD ownership
Your trade-in transaction is separate from their transaction selling it to a new owner. This really isn't true though. Tesla controls the vast majority of the used Tesla resale market as I understand it. If you want a used Tesla one is likely going to go to Tesla, and get a CPO vehicle. Not...
teslamotorsclub.com
So... yeah, you are right, its been discussed here before.
cool thanks. Glad you spent your free time doing that, i guessThreads where this has been discussed, either in full or as part of the thread discussion. Found by searching TMC for "can FSD transfer with owner". Many with dozens or even hundreds of posts. Not all inclusive by any means:
Why is FSD not transferable to your next Tesla?
I happily drink the kool-aid and I'm here every day. I just want to have a discussion so I can better understand why they don't offer transferring FSD to a new car. I have a 2018 Model 3 AWD+ with ~36k miles on it. I plan on selling it for the Plaid S or Roadster [if it comes out in 2021]. As a...
General An initial preliminary discussion - a Tesla owner campaign for FSD-license transfer
In every discussion about FSD and timelines now across any website or forum, the topic of being able to transfer a software license for FSD to future Teslas comes up as a sort of compensation for owners who have been waiting years for software that hasn't arrived yet. Nobody outside of those...Revamp EAP + FSD Purchase Terms?
Since all new Tesla's contain the hardware for self driving - why doesn't Tesla treat EAP/FSD as software? For instance, wouldn't it be much better if Tesla tied EAP/FSD with the owner instead of the car? What if I can go to MyTesla and purchase EAP/FSD and tie the license to my car, when I...A post nobody asked for: How I'd handle the FSD problem (features, HW upgrades) for early adopters
There's been an uptick in posts from people (like me) who are unhappy with the FSD situation and how Tesla has been handling it to date, and most of us are just sort of venting, but the real question is: what can Tesla to do fix it? If Tesla said "Ok fine, you get to pick a solution that has to...FSD Not Transferring to new Owner Class Action
I’m considering buying a used Y with FSD from a dealer. This thread is encouraging. The dealer has a 5 day return policy. Seems like if the car were going to drop FSD after I link it to my Tesla account it would happen within the 5 day return window, yes?teslamotorsclub.com
FSD license should be tied to owner not vehicle
I've actually loved my M3P and Tesla ownership so much that I thought about upgrading to a S. This would make Tesla more money, but because I bought FSD I feel like I will have to own this purchase until the body panels fall off. Isn't the FSD feature transferable to the new owner, and as...
Do I Own the Software in my Model 3?
We were only given software licensing policies when I worked for Apple and other Silicon Valley companies. They may have quoted court case or other precedent setting information during the presentations but I was not interested in that because it had no bearing on company policies. I did say...Subscription model (FSD etc.)
I am creating this thread to continue the current discussion on FSD payment by subscription. People may also want to discuss the model being used for non FSD payments.Is $10K too much?
I think $10K is too much for FSD. I realize that at some point when it can truly drive itself $10K will be a bargain for those who are buying cars exclusively to use as full time robotaxis. But for the average customer who's just going to use it to get to/from work and the occasional road trip...Do I Own the Software in my Model 3?
This also depends on jurisdiction! What is valid in the US, is not necessarily valid in e.g. the EU. Copyright only says you can't multiply it. E.g. if I buy a book, I own the book and I can sell the book. What I can't do is copy all pages, bind it to create a second book. For software -...Who owns the FSD?
I was watching this Rich Rebuilds video, where he mentions (around 9:53) that “Tesla assigns [the FSD] to the individual, meaning you.” If that is true: 1) do you have to buy FSD every time you buy a Tesla model 3 2) will Tesla just disable the FSD on a leased vehicle, after it’s returned? 3)...Help me understand FSD ownership
Your trade-in transaction is separate from their transaction selling it to a new owner. This really isn't true though. Tesla controls the vast majority of the used Tesla resale market as I understand it. If you want a used Tesla one is likely going to go to Tesla, and get a CPO vehicle. Not...
So... yeah, you are right, its been discussed here before.
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