NeverEnough
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The issue is that all the studies show correlations, but fall short of proving causation.
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The issue is that all the studies show correlations, but fall short of proving causation.
Hard for people in the US to believe in global warming while going through freeze spells worse than before (e.g. meet Seattle is having one of the colder winters in a while, CA Silicon Valley is also colder than typical winters). That's the problem with naming something "Global warming" - everyone expects the weather to get warmer.
Second, world climate historically has changed in the past, way before first combustion engine or even before human population explosion (maybe dinosaurs were farting too much ). The issue is that all the studies show correlations, but fall short of proving causation. You could correlate the global warming to lower average murder rate in the western world, yet nobody claims we should be murdering more people to reverse climate change.
The only problem with the science is when it doesn't predict a consequence dire enough...and everyone hears sea levels will rise 50 cm...and Indonesia will be under water, etc. The public goes meh.
Then, something really terrible happens, and instead of science and objective study, we get advocacy.
People who don't subscribe to the sky is falling mentality don't reject science, they just don't trust the people talking. I'm not sure why the concept of credibility is so hard to understand. The WHO has none left. When you start amping up the prediction to encourage people to react, that isn't science.
Journalists and (some) 'scientists' are getting a hard lesson these days, but I know they will find their way back...at least I sure hope so. Hype sucks.
People who don't subscribe to the sky is falling mentality don't reject science, they just don't trust the people talking. I'm not sure why the concept of credibility is so hard to understand. The WHO has none left. When you start amping up the prediction to encourage people to react, that isn't science.
People who don't subscribe to the sky is falling mentality don't reject science, they just don't trust the people talking.
Ok... then why isn't that the counter-argument? The deniers say, 'It's a hoax invented by the Chinese' not 'Sure, sucks to be my grand-kids, not my problem
Somehow I think though, that even if the worse global warning predictions come true, this will be the least of my grandkids' worries.
what exactly do you see as a greater future challenge?
Rising sea levels could displace ~700M by 2100.... not sure if you've noticed but humanity isn't especially good at welcoming refugees and immigrants... what exactly do you see as a greater future challenge?
Religion.
(I'm not going to further qualify or debate that since that discussion doesn't belong on this board.).
Something will happen over the course of a century and people will have to move! The horror!
For those who don't believe in our role in global warming forget the science for a minute and view it purely from the perspective of the risk to humanity and the planet if one's viewpoint is simply wrong. What is the downside risk if we do little or nothing versus the downside risk if we maintain or intensify our efforts to combat global warming? Do you really want to take that chance by ignoring the problem?
For those who don't believe in our role in global warming forget the science for a minute and view it purely from the perspective of the risk to humanity and the planet if one's viewpoint is simply wrong. What is the downside risk if we do little or nothing versus the downside risk if we maintain or intensify our efforts to combat global warming? Do you really want to take that chance by ignoring the problem?
Leftist wealth redistribution schemes like a carbon tax surely are not the answer.
Our grandparents left us such a messy world with religion, racism, sexism and genocide that if the worst my grandkids have to deal with is a couple of tornados and floods every now and again, I'm ok with that.
OK, I'll bite here, because as an atheist, I take offense to the comparison.It's not science at that point. You're trying to find support for what you think is right. That's just your religion. And that's why many dismiss it. Their religion attaches meaning to their lives. You found meaning to attach to yours. Spoiler alert: your life doesn't have meaning. From over here, climate warriors and christians look identical. Mindless cults.