FSD rewrite will go out on Oct 20 to limited beta

[lpp06]

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Was looking at the upgrade to FSD page on my M3 and noticed that "FSD computer" is listed as an included option in the upgrade. Since HW3 (current FSD computer) is included standard on the M3, does this imply that those who purchase the upgrade now will have access to any new hardware in the future?


Also - it looks like Recognize Traffic Lights and Stop Signs is in the coming later portion. I thought FSD and EAP already did this?

 

[Knightshade]

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Was looking at the upgrade to FSD page on my M3 and noticed that "FSD computer" is listed as an included option in the upgrade. Since HW3 (current FSD computer) is included standard on the M3, does this imply that those who purchase the upgrade now will have access to any new hardware in the future?


Also - it looks like Recognize Traffic Lights and Stop Signs is in the coming later portion. I thought FSD and EAP already did this?

It does already do that- but Tesla is terrible about updating static descriptions.

As to HW3, it wasn't standard on the Model 3 for the first ~1.5 years of production, so those folks get the upgrade included with the purchase at no added charge... (Ditto all the S/X owners who bought before HW3 became the factory installed computer)

 

[macmee]

Is there a thread or place to discuss rumors of Tesla rolling FSD beta out to more people? Every time I read this thread I just get more excited.

 

[diplomat33]

According to this, the holiday release will have some FSD features:

 

[lpp06]

According to this, the holiday release will have some FSD features:

What would watered down FSD beta features look like? Only right turns?

 

[Snuffysasa]

According to this, the holiday release will have some FSD features:

Yes!!!

Is there a thread or place to discuss rumors of Tesla rolling FSD beta out to more people? Every time I read this thread I just get more excited.

I am interested in this too... I am not sure the best thread for this.. and also to discuss your comment below as well. Should we create a new thread. for talking about the FSD wide release / beta expansion.

What would watered down FSD beta features look like? Only right turns?

I am interested in discussing this. I could imagine, something that has the perception pipeline rewrite and maybe new visualization... but no new features.

It could also be something like confirmations before every turn, or require the driver to turn the wheel on turns.

There could be very frequent nags if you enable FSD beta in settings.

Just brainstorming

 

[lpp06]

Yes!!!


I am interested in discussing this. I could imagine, something that has the perception pipeline rewrite and maybe new visualization... but no new features.

It could also be something like confirmations before every turn, or require the driver to turn the wheel on turns.

There could be very frequent nags if you enable FSD beta in settings.

Just brainstorming

I would think any underlying changes to how the car handles inputs would be updated regardless of FSDBeta vs not. It may be a FSDBeta teaser that has you go on a prescribed route in your local area that is known to be safer - no unprotected lefts, roundabouts, weird lane changes.


IMO - fleet-wide release isn't close. Most of Tesla's pre-selected testers have been experiencing disengagements in many of their videos. These are people they have explicitly instructed on the safety and capability of the software. A full rollout means putting it into the hands of EVERY FSD owner. This will create a lot of unpredictable behavior and variables for the software that can create some dangerous situations. For instance there will undoubtedly be the one random person who decides that they have FSDBeta and can have their car drive them to and fro the bar and ruin it for everyone.

 

[diplomat33]

Yes!!!

I am interested in this too... I am not sure the best thread for this.. and also to discuss your comment below as well. Should we create a new thread. for talking about the FSD wide release / beta expansion.

I am interested in discussing this. I could imagine, something that has the perception pipeline rewrite and maybe new visualization... but no new features.

It could also be something like confirmations before every turn, or require the driver to turn the wheel on turns.

There could be very frequent nags if you enable FSD beta in settings.

Just brainstorming

What would watered down FSD beta features look like? Only right turns?

Who knows? It is speculation at this point.

I am thinking that Tesla will release the new FSD visualizations to everybody. There would be no risk in that.

 

[Snuffysasa]

IMO - fleet-wide release isn't close. Most of Tesla's pre-selected testers have been experiencing disengagements in many of their videos. These are people they have explicitly instructed on the safety and capability of the software. . This will create a lot of unpredictable behavior and variables for the software that can create some dangerous situations.

I agree with you... but please tell me what aspects of it do you see as unsafe and not unsafe. Because I would imagine this would determine what is in the watered down release and what isn't

"I would think any underlying changes to how the car handles inputs would be updated regardless of FSDBeta vs not"

You claim this... but I would argue that these changes are potentially the biggest source of dangerous behavior, much more so then any new features.

 

[Snuffysasa]

I am thinking that Tesla will release the new FSD visualizations to everybody. There would be no risk in that.

And so that would also have to include all the updates/rewrites to perception and prediction, etc. , yes?

 

[diplomat33]

And so that would also have to include all the updates/rewrites to perception and prediction, etc. , yes?

Yes, I imagine it would.

 

[lpp06]

I agree with you... but please tell me what aspects of it do you see as unsafe and not unsafe. Because I would imagine this would determine what is in the watered down release and what isn't

"I would think any underlying changes to how the car handles inputs would be updated regardless of FSDBeta vs not"

You claim this... but I would argue that these changes are potentially the biggest source of dangerous behavior, much more so then any new features.

I should say inputs from the environment. I don't see them having different software stacks for AP vs EAP vs FSD - if anything Tesla's philosophy on manufacturing is to create efficiency and reduce redundancy.


Driver inputs are definitely a source of dangerous behavior, but the current software is far from perfect. Putting that product into a random person's hands is a risk - and it's that risk which will delay a full release.

 

[JulienW]

My 2¢: The current visualizations are engineering and not what we will get. We will likely get a LOT more info (and wider screen) but it will be de-colored and polished (no boxes but cars and people) and look a lot more like what we have now, just more detailed.

My out of my a$$ guess would be in order:

1. Just replacement with the new code.
2. Red light confirmation removed for straight.
3. Stop sign confirmation removed for straight.
4. Right hand turns.

 

[lpp06]

Who knows? It is speculation at this point.

I am thinking that Tesla will release the new FSD visualizations to everybody. There would be no risk in that.

Yea - they may have the production visualization ready to go out, or may just have an option to make your visualization look like the developer screen the testers have now - as sort of an Easter egg.

The screen grab in the tweet can be read in different ways too - did the email talk about FSD and V11 as separate topics not linked? Like, "hey everyone, we're hiring internal testers in AZ. Also, V11 rolls on Christmas and has a yule-log screen saver"

 

[andrewFW]

If we're making guesses I'd submit that v11 does improve the visualization, including more recognized and modeled objects, specifically including recognizing other teslas. They'll appear in the right color just like the yours does. Maybe supercharging stalls, too.

 

[GlmnAlyAirCar]

This wouldn't be nearly as exciting, but from the FSD videos it does appear FSD works very well in parking lots. I'm wondering if there will be a new smart summon engine based on FSD.

 

[Knightshade]

I should say inputs from the environment. I don't see them having different software stacks for AP vs EAP vs FSD - if anything Tesla's philosophy on manufacturing is to create efficiency and reduce redundancy.
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AP and EAP do not require HW3. FSD does.

AP and EAP already are feature complete. FSD is not.

I would expect the HW 2.x codebase is largely finished getting significant updates- not so much the HW3 codebase.

 

[Cyclegamer]

What would watered down FSD beta features look like? Only right turns?

My guess would be:
Go at stop signs/lights with no lead car or confirmation.
Automatic lane change in city streets, and roundabouts

 

[turnem]

My guess would be:
Go at stop signs/lights with no lead car or confirmation.
Automatic lane change in city streets, and roundabouts

If they are going to do a neutered FSD release then I'd imagine we'll get all the functionality that FSD Beta has EXCEPT that it will require confirmation (either stalk or pedal) to act on intended movements.

 

[Snuffysasa]

If they are going to do a neutered FSD release then I'd imagine we'll get all the functionality that FSD Beta has EXCEPT that it will require confirmation (either stalk or pedal) to act on intended movements.

I can imagine they force you to push down the accelerator to control speed through the intersection, not sure though