A quick side-note, I think the reason for extending the unlimited supercharging was more pragmatic - Tesla just was not ready with their price model, period. They couldn't say: "no more unlimited, but we dont know yet what we're going to charge for limited", hence they've graciously extended the deadline just to dot their i's and cross their t's.
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A quick side-note, I think the reason for extending the unlimited supercharging was more pragmatic - Tesla just was not ready with their price model, period. They couldn't say: "no more unlimited, but we dont know yet what we're going to charge for limited", hence they've graciously extended the deadline just to dot their i's and cross their t's.
FlatSix911
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Do not upgrade to the 100D and second-guess your original decision unless money is disposable for you. All of the Model S will tank in value when M3 is available. The 100D will tank the hardest I'm guessing. If you are OK with the 60D performance, stick with that. The 60D was too slow for me since I have only driven high performance cars my entire adult life. I tried really hard to like the 60D but just a bit too slow. You'll probably have to charge the 60D every night but it's a small inconvenience to save $20k.
With that $20k you are halfway to a second Tesla in your garage, a Model 3.
With that $20k you are halfway to a second Tesla in your garage, a Model 3.
there is no way 90D has the 100D battery pack. Very different battery hardware architecture. Unless Tesla comes up with a software limited 90D (that actually has the 100D battery) to kind of smooth the transition, but I doubt it is the case.
The reason for me thinking this is that the 0-60 time and top speed are both exactly the same. Also, it would make sense to have a 75 and a 100 pack, and software limit to 60 and 90. That being said I have been advised (like everyone else) that I cannot upgrade to a 100D without losing free supercharging and the vented seats.
So I've decided to keep both my 90D orders.
You make a fair point. I guess more than anything I felt like I rushed into a Tesla a bit to get the free super charging, and knew I wanted as much range as possible within reason. I seriously doubt there were tens of thousands of people who ordered a 90D within this very small period, and even fewer of those want to jump to the 100D. But your point is overall fair, and I am probably being unreasonable.
All very fair points, I am willing to admit when I am wrong.
After reflecting and reading others comments, I regret my Elon global warming statement. I still may end up cancelling for the short term just becasue of no sense of urgency without super charging and the fact that something else may come in the next few weeks, but I was out of line with the Elon statement.
NikeWings
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@AVRnj applaud your humility.
Unfortunate as it is that your expectations weren't met, you'll be a much happier owner now or whenever you decide to purchase. We've all in been in the shoes of Tesla temporarydisappointment........then when we take them off and buy a Tesla!
Come join us!!!
Unfortunate as it is that your expectations weren't met, you'll be a much happier owner now or whenever you decide to purchase. We've all in been in the shoes of Tesla temporarydisappointment........then when we take them off and buy a Tesla!
Come join us!!!For anybody out there thinking about going with 90D over 100D, consider massive improvements in battery pack architecture in 100D over 90D. These include upgraded cooling (bottom heat pipes vs. cooling ducts between rows of battery cells in 90D) and upgraded interconnections of individual cells (flexible printed circuit vs. individual bond wires for 90D).
The 100D pack architecture is inherently more reliable. The standout functional feature is faster supercharging (tapering of the supercharging rate at a higher state of charge of the battery pack as compared to 90D).
See this post for more technical details of the new battery pack architecture.
The 100D pack architecture is inherently more reliable. The standout functional feature is faster supercharging (tapering of the supercharging rate at a higher state of charge of the battery pack as compared to 90D).
See this post for more technical details of the new battery pack architecture.
BTW, based on the above referenced post detailing new battery architecture for 100D, it is almost certain that 100D is capable of 0 to 60 time that is lower than 90D. First, it is lower due to proportionate increase of the power output of 100D over 90D at the same rate of discharge. Second, and this increase is on top of the first one, this architecture allows to lower overall battery pack resistance which reduces losses and voltage sag at the maximum battery output current.
The question, though if and when Tesla might decide to "release" improved performance capability via OTA. It will unlikely to happen before they are able to ramp-up 100D production capacity and all 90D they are planning to produce are sold out. After that time, Tesla might choose to unlock additional performance via OTA. So in summary, 100D is most definitely capable of higher power output, but at this time is not clear when Tesla will choose to unlock it.
The question, though if and when Tesla might decide to "release" improved performance capability via OTA. It will unlikely to happen before they are able to ramp-up 100D production capacity and all 90D they are planning to produce are sold out. After that time, Tesla might choose to unlock additional performance via OTA. So in summary, 100D is most definitely capable of higher power output, but at this time is not clear when Tesla will choose to unlock it.
NikeWings
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I recall your initial post on the archetecture; its very well explained along with great commentary in your thread, as well as the P100 charging thread.
Any insight to whether these packs in their current state as shipped, are equipped to handle the next level of SC intensity or would that require additional enhancement that currently shipped 100s don't have? I understand that faster charging/tapering interplay with current superchargers, but unclear on the next gen SCs. TY
I am not sure, but I think that it is plausible that new 100D packs can accept higher maximum Supercharging rate (on top of tapering off at higher state of charge). The lower losses within pack (due to reduced internal resistance) and better cooling should help with this.
Wow I didn't know they are removing supercharging capability on some cars. That sucks. Without supercharging all you have is an expensive city car.
Good decision.
To clarify, Tesla is NOT removing supercharging capability. It is just that there is no free UNLIMITED supercharging going forward. There are 400kWh annually included at no charge, and there is nominal charge after that. MS/MX is NOT a city car. One can go on any long distance trip. In fact, with introduction of 100D long trip experience is improved due to faster supercharging.
Sully's8
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Word for word the email I got yesterday. . .they must have a canned response. As my interior build is no longer available, I'm sticking with ventilated seats and tan / figured ash / black headliner. . . 90D
Would have been a tougher call about ventilated seats if I could still get my interior combo. Good luck.
Sully's8
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They are clearly simplifying the production line...will ultimately enable them to more efficiently build cars with better QA. I went through this all day yesterday, there won't be any exceptions made. Standard form response appears to have been crafted for those of us with confirmed orders but preproduction (or in production).
Rumor has it they have to build a few cars over the next couple years
Sully's8
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Ditto. .. my interior build is not offered, so it made the decision that much easier. . .
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