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EVNow
Well-Known Member
There are exactly 3 <$40k BEVs that will be selling US wide soonish. Obviously they will be compared by buyers.
Leaf :
Inexpensive.
Good as a regional car (esp. if you have CHAdeMO network nearby).
Lots of good leases to be had.
Attractive for anyone who don't have much marginal utility for that 150 to 220 mile extra range.
Reliable.
Likely easy availability.
Model 3 :
Better brand image / status
More range
SC
Technically edgy / expect problems
Expensive options
Not easily available
Bolt :
More range
Expensive but lots of good lease deals around
Easy availability
EVNow
Well-Known Member
Why not lease and compare TCO ? I bet Leaf will be cheaper. My TCO for 4 years of Leaf ('13) was $8k (2k+125*48) +electricity. Zero maintenance cost.
Wonder how much Model 3 lease will cost.
Garlan Garner
Banned
I say the same exact thing. Tesla does not want anymore Model 3 orders. That's a shame.
I love what Elon Musk wants to do in that he wants to accelerate the world in using sustainable energy. I absolutely love it.
Problem: The world seems to want it more than he does as we have responded. Tesla cant accelerate as fast as the world wants.
I foresee Tesla coupling Solar Roofs with a new affordable car. The model 3 is "more" affordable than the Model S and X, however.....its not truly affordable for the masses.
Garlan Garner
Banned
Not so fast - that autonomous solution at least for now runs the red lights and tries to kill you by driving under the trucks:
Garlan Garner
Banned
What's most interesting to me about the Nissan video is that they took so many shots at the Model 3. For example. "We put our cameras on the roof and not down on the side because that's useless". AND " You don't have to touch any levers to restore autopilot.....just let go of the steering wheel to re-engage auto pilot".
Garlan Garner
Banned
chronopc
Active Member
Exactly why I couldn't care less what a demo car can do. Unless the technology is in a production car and I can operate it myself I can't trust what people say on youtube. I've used EAP in the Model S and it's definitely worth $5k for me given how much I plan on using it. I have no idea what ProPilot can do. Also no idea when FSD is coming out so I'm not paying for that either.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
Because you would never buy a new LEAF2 due to uncertain battery degradation.
We drive a 30KWH 2016 Leaf SV. For our type of driving we are good for a max range of about 200 KM but plan around 160 km when planning longer trips...which is only a few times per year. My guess is the 40KWh battery would be a nice improvement for us when the time comes. However, we will consider the m3 when the time comes (2021) but only if the there is a service centre within 100 km. From the Tesla owners we know and read about, Teslas have their share of little issues. Nissan leafs however, for the most part, don't. We can put up with little things but not if I have to drive 500 km every time something needs fixing. I suspect we are not alone in thinking this way.
Would I pay more for a Tesla. Sure, a little, but the super charger network means very little to me. It's a nice to have, not need to have facility.
Come 2021 there will be lots of competitors. We will definetly consider the Tesla. Beautiful car.
Would I pay more for a Tesla. Sure, a little, but the super charger network means very little to me. It's a nice to have, not need to have facility.
Come 2021 there will be lots of competitors. We will definetly consider the Tesla. Beautiful car.
insaneoctane
Well-Known Member
Boy, I would love to see your pro/con list comparing these 2 cars. Clearly you must not value the differentiators that seem like this is a no brainer. Please share!
chronopc
Active Member
Seems like cheapest EV is what he's looking for. If he only drives 6k miles a year even the first generation leaf will have sufficient range.
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
Because if you live anywhere that gets above 80F on a regular basis only two of the three have active cooling.
* Tesla - no degradation to speak of, range will stay impressive
* Chevy Bolt - unknown degradation record but active cooling should do similar to Tesla any degradation is likely to be minor
* Nissan Leaf - no active cooling, guaranteed reduction of range month by month with additional degradation in the summer. Already has the shortest range and due to heat degradation that range deficit will get worse over time.
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
Says the guy in the Pacific Northwest that doesn't have to worry about heat degradation.
For any conversation about a Nissan Leaf you might as well chop north America in half at the 39th parallel and lump you northerners with Canada and anyone south of that line with Mexico and imagine a few miles around the 39th as a neutral zone.
It's not an accurate climate zone divider but for a quick and dirty rule of thumb it'll do.
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It does compete against the m3 it's just not good enough for some people to see it as a competitor. If the leaf stats and design would of been as good or better for less money than a m3. I would of canceled my m3 deposit and considered the leaf. When you look at accelation, design, range, super charger/charging speed, size and image/reputation the tesla is the winner. So in that sense your right it does not compete.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
My local climate annual ambient average temperature is 57F;
We baby our LEAF: 95+% of the time in the shade outside of winter,
Charging up to 80% in the cool morning hours ...
And I STILL see degradation, sometimes as much as 1% in a month.
The LEAF works great for us, as a glorified NEV. And yet my wife still wants to charge the car daily due to range anxiety LOL
One of the truly strange aspects of LEAF ownership is the inclination to accept the battery degradation rates as normal and OK. The attitude is in full bloom over at the LEAF forum. To outsiders who are not EV fanatics it must look verrry odd. If not for the Tesla I would be an EV skeptic.
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SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
The first real all electric, easily available car was Nissan Leaf, its sales were very interesting. Telsa must be praised because they are really pushing electric cars.
A big advantage of Tesla cars is about the fact they are selling them cheaper than they cost, this is not viable in the long term, but for consumers it's great, but it can't be like that forever.
The new Leaf sounds like a great car, the range of 230k miles is a big improvement and when most be able to buy the model 3, probably the range of the leaf will be even better. Model 3 is far from cheap, the base mode is very basic, when you start to add the great stuff, price skyrockets.
Normally the price of the cars is under evaluated on most reviews, but making something great at any price is a lot easier than making something good at a reasonable price.
Model 3 coolness is really good, but many of it it's impractical, that huge screen to control everything can't beat usability of dedicated buttons for dedicated functions per example (note that dedicated buttons is the more expensive solution - take the example of photographic cameras - cheap ones use the screen for most operations).
Currently Tesla and Nissan (maybe Chevrolet too now) are way ahead of everyone else regarding all electric cars, but I believe other current big car manufacturers will catch up very fast and will keep the lead they currently have (GM, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, ...).
A big advantage of Tesla cars is about the fact they are selling them cheaper than they cost, this is not viable in the long term, but for consumers it's great, but it can't be like that forever.
The new Leaf sounds like a great car, the range of 230k miles is a big improvement and when most be able to buy the model 3, probably the range of the leaf will be even better. Model 3 is far from cheap, the base mode is very basic, when you start to add the great stuff, price skyrockets.
Normally the price of the cars is under evaluated on most reviews, but making something great at any price is a lot easier than making something good at a reasonable price.
Model 3 coolness is really good, but many of it it's impractical, that huge screen to control everything can't beat usability of dedicated buttons for dedicated functions per example (note that dedicated buttons is the more expensive solution - take the example of photographic cameras - cheap ones use the screen for most operations).
Currently Tesla and Nissan (maybe Chevrolet too now) are way ahead of everyone else regarding all electric cars, but I believe other current big car manufacturers will catch up very fast and will keep the lead they currently have (GM, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, ...).
It's as if the only issue with EVs is battery degradation. True, it is one of the most expensive and major components but other repairs can set you back more than a few thousands too.
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