GRAND VENUS is continuing to make excellent time. She has just 1059nm to go and is doing 17.7 kts. She could make Zeebrugge by Wednesday afternoon at this rate.
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2020 Shipping Movements
- Thread starter Mr Miserable
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SILVER RAY is preparing to depart Zeebrugge.
Her AIS has been updated with an ETA of 06:00 tomorrow.
No change to Southampton VTS though...
Her AIS has been updated with an ETA of 06:00 tomorrow.
No change to Southampton VTS though...
LukeUK
Member
Is it possible that she's going to Scandinavia first, or do you think another carrier will move the cars from Zeebrugge to Scandinavia?
LongRanger
Active Member
Fast turnaround. Have not had a VIN text though - will call Tesla tomorrow to see if I can get lucky 
After that it's bound for Bremerhaven on the 18th at 23:00 according to the Southampton VTS webpage.
I've been pondering...
How did SILVER RAY's cargo cross the USA without being reported?
The idea that they went by road just doesn't wash. Thousands of cars, some RHD, being transported by road would have been spotted and reported on.
So that means they went by rail, probably in wagons like this:
Newark has a convenient railhead at Oak Island which is used for new car transportation. Transporting by rail in the US is not fast. It's also not something that can be quickly organised - this had a long lead time.
I think that this shipment may be the shipment that was originally provisionally earmarked for the GLOVIS STELLA. I had been made aware that the GLOVIS STELLA had been cancelled for several days before it became obvious. It would also explain why we were all surprised when the GLOVIS COMPOSER didn't come to EU - I was certainly aware of high production levels beforehand of EU vehicles. So I think this shipment must have left Fremont in the 1st week of reopening around May 11. This coincides with the sighting of an EU spec car leaving Fremont by transporter. Where were they loaded? Oakland Intermodal is primarily a container facility as far as I am aware. I am aware that there is a railway yard immediately behind the Fremont factory but I'm not aware of any loading facilities there either.
Benicia springs to mind as the closest.
So 5 days to load the train takes us to May 16. 12 days in transit takes us to May 28. That leaves a week to unload and wait for the ship to arrive on 4 Jun. Timing fits...
Anybody have any better ideas?
How did SILVER RAY's cargo cross the USA without being reported?
The idea that they went by road just doesn't wash. Thousands of cars, some RHD, being transported by road would have been spotted and reported on.
So that means they went by rail, probably in wagons like this:
Newark has a convenient railhead at Oak Island which is used for new car transportation. Transporting by rail in the US is not fast. It's also not something that can be quickly organised - this had a long lead time.
I think that this shipment may be the shipment that was originally provisionally earmarked for the GLOVIS STELLA. I had been made aware that the GLOVIS STELLA had been cancelled for several days before it became obvious. It would also explain why we were all surprised when the GLOVIS COMPOSER didn't come to EU - I was certainly aware of high production levels beforehand of EU vehicles. So I think this shipment must have left Fremont in the 1st week of reopening around May 11. This coincides with the sighting of an EU spec car leaving Fremont by transporter. Where were they loaded? Oakland Intermodal is primarily a container facility as far as I am aware. I am aware that there is a railway yard immediately behind the Fremont factory but I'm not aware of any loading facilities there either.
Benicia springs to mind as the closest.
So 5 days to load the train takes us to May 16. 12 days in transit takes us to May 28. That leaves a week to unload and wait for the ship to arrive on 4 Jun. Timing fits...
Anybody have any better ideas?
Zeebrugge source reports, as of this morning, that he has not observed Tesla cars from Silver Ray.
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LukeUK
Member
So if these dates work for SILVER RAY, it means that VINs in the range similar to mine, from Tesla-Info, are more likely to be on the GRAND VENUS?
Another way to look at it, when do you think the latest arrival for GRAND VENUS at Southampton could be, to allow unloading and road transport for collection on Tuesday next week? Surely the Monday would be too tight?
It still looks as though SILVER RAY will depart Zeebrugge tonight. Although her AIS ETA is 06:00 tomorrow the Southampton VTS is still showing an arrival on Wednesday afternoon. As far as I can workout Pier 104 will be free and unoccupied tomorrow and so there may be the opportunity to dock tomorrow.
We shall see....
We shall see....
It's a big place, Zeebrugge, so he might not have been situated in a way to get a great overview of Hanzeterminal.
But nevertheless, he is usually more than willing to tell us if there's Tesla cars on deck - so we will know if there were any.
So if these dates work for SILVER RAY, it means that VINs in the range similar to mine, from Tesla-Info, are more likely to be on the GRAND VENUS?
Another way to look at it, when do you think the latest arrival for GRAND VENUS at Southampton could be, to allow unloading and road transport for collection on Tuesday next week? Surely the Monday would be too tight?
Still no details yet on GRAND VENUS coming to Southampton. It could be on Sunday 21st - we shall find out in a few hours when the Southampton arrivals are updated.
Tesla UK have been very good (not necessarily from a buyers point of view) at delivering shiploads of cars at the end of a quarter - with the obvious exception of last quarter which had a COVID-19 shaped spanner thrown in. I also reckon some of the delivery subcontractors will be anxious to demonstrate their capability this time round. I cannot believe that Tesla was satisfied with their Q1 performance, COVID or no COVID.
Post seemingly confirming loading of Model 3 in Newark, New Jersey onto Silver Ray (not New York)
https://twitter.com/mikel_red/status/1272617954161680385?s=20
https://twitter.com/mikel_red/status/1272180941507694592?s=20
https://twitter.com/mikel_red/status/1272617954161680385?s=20
https://twitter.com/mikel_red/status/1272180941507694592?s=20
What page is this tool from?So if these dates work for SILVER RAY, it means that VINs in the range similar to mine, from Tesla-Info, are more likely to be on the GRAND VENUS?
Another way to look at it, when do you think the latest arrival for GRAND VENUS at Southampton could be, to allow unloading and road transport for collection on Tuesday next week? Surely the Monday would be too tight?
Further to the SILVER RAY shipments.
It appears that Tesla actually use Milpitas not Benicia.
It appears that Tesla actually use Milpitas not Benicia.
SILVER RAY is on its way to Southampton with a new ETA of 13:00 tomorrow. No change on the Southampton VTS arrivals board for it though - still showing Wednesday afternoon.
Importantly, no sign of GRAND VENUS arriving at Southampton on Sunday 21st either. It's leading me to believe that all the UK cars must be on the SILVER RAY.....
UPDATE
It's been pointed out to me that if you zoom in on the photo from post #3756 the car is RHD. That's pretty conclusive to me - SILVER RAY has the UK shipment.
Importantly, no sign of GRAND VENUS arriving at Southampton on Sunday 21st either. It's leading me to believe that all the UK cars must be on the SILVER RAY.....
UPDATE
It's been pointed out to me that if you zoom in on the photo from post #3756 the car is RHD. That's pretty conclusive to me - SILVER RAY has the UK shipment.
LongRanger
Active Member
Is this the shipping equivalent of the “switcharoo” ?
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