As I said above, Elon has 3 times referred to the performance version/tri-motor as the beast mode version, like the Plaid for the S/X.
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A full-size truck with a ~120 kWh battery for barely more than a Model Y LR, a small SUV with a <80 kWh battery
Why yes, that would be a no brainer -- and it would assuredly be a money-loser for Tesla
However that is not how vehicle lineups are priced, for example look at the Ford Lightning pricing against Mach-E. Trucks cost more than SUVs, just as a general rule.
electrifyme
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Hmmmm, looking at Reddit, it seems it’s just a mode on every vehicle. Instead of Sport it’s Beast, who knows.
Elon's exact words, "We can get to 0-60 in below 3 seconds for the, you know Beast mode version. We have a beast mode version that's....stuttering....I don't want to give it all away right now" then talks about the 3 demonstrations...
Cheburashka
Active Member
Yeah well the Ford Lightning isn't selling very well at those prices despite being a good truck with great features. In fact the "base" Lightning is somewhere around 55K.
Definitely and aggressive pricing will be required to have enough customers to move the 150-250,000 Cybertrucks that are currently targeted or being talked about, so it makes me wonder how exactly that will work purely due to affordability and market size at certain price points.
Cybertruck is going to be so much more vehicle than the S/X much less the 3/Y, both in raw size and battery size, so material costs will likely be significantly higher
I fully expect the initial pricing to be high due to the demand. Tesla has always done this when demand is higher than production. Then it will drop like a rock if demand slows.
Cheburashka
Active Member
I think you are right, it's almost always the first owners that get hosed.
That said, if they come in at a super high price, it may lead to mass cancellation of reservations which would also be really bad for Tesla. So who knows what they are thinking...
Every actual tech company attempting to solve self driving has done a better job than Tesla. Tesla has only gone backwards since they dropped mobile eye. Most other companies seem to have a comparable BMS. The UI is one of the worst clusterfucks I’ve ever seen, especially considering it’s a car.
Yep, my bet is it would be similar to drag strip mode on the S/X
I and many disagree with all of this. Again, if that's your position, I see your point, but I don't believe that to be reality. Agree to disagree.
I’m going to say this, Blues Cruise is better than AP. Not sure about FSD because I did not pay for that feature but will most likely do a Monthly subscription to try it out.
In fact I feel as thought my 2023 is worse than the AP on my 2018 was. The Phantom braking has gotten worse and the car is always confused during sunset on whether it should brake or keep going. It’s a PIA.
Blue Cruise is better than AP, but not close (intentionally by Ford) to FSD.
I've spent a month with Blue Cruise and the previous version was less than EAP, but still more useful than AP (except when it would cut off on large turns).
I do not have any phantom braking events with FSD and I put 1,000 miles in a week on my car 3 out of 4 weeks. I had bad phantom braking on FSD (not beta) with my radar 22 MSLR, but with Beta and newer versions, it's really non-existent for me.
That's not to say there aren't startling braking events, especially when very close to a semi or construction zones where the road is outside of the lane, but they are for known sources and with time very easily predictable.
Good point - given there are three wheel packages - similar to the MY today - base 19" wheels, 20" optional wheels, and the MYP has 21" wheels, and the range falls each time you upgrade to a larger wheel package. We should expect the same thing with the CT. From the Tesla App Updates data, we can see there's a base 18 inch CT wheel/tire package, an upgrade to a 19" wheel/tire package, and then a premium wheel/tire package (likely 20"+). Most of the showroom models seem to have the premium wheel/tire package installed. This could end up translating to pretty much the same range as the MY's offer across the models. 330 for the standard wheels, 315-320 for the upgraded 19" wheels, and around 300 for the premium wheel package.
Without following the nitty gritty of what each company is doing, like down to a very granular level, I'll suggest we likely don't actually know how far along competitors are versus FSD because FSD is the only urban autonomous driving software in consumer hands where we get to see what it can do.
Other companies like Mobileye (used by a lot of companies), NVIDIA (powering Mercedes' Level 3 and I think soon BMWs), and others have urban driving capability similar to FSD but we don't get to see the testing in nearly the same frequency or level of detail. But when you see something like Mercedes rolling out NVIDIA's Level 3 and people criticize it, they're clearly not realizing that NVIDIA has cars on roads also doing stuff like FSD through paid, professional testers.
No other company wants to sell and put the urban functionality in consumer hands, only Tesla does that, but many others have implementations that can do it.
Other companies like Mobileye (used by a lot of companies), NVIDIA (powering Mercedes' Level 3 and I think soon BMWs), and others have urban driving capability similar to FSD but we don't get to see the testing in nearly the same frequency or level of detail. But when you see something like Mercedes rolling out NVIDIA's Level 3 and people criticize it, they're clearly not realizing that NVIDIA has cars on roads also doing stuff like FSD through paid, professional testers.
No other company wants to sell and put the urban functionality in consumer hands, only Tesla does that, but many others have implementations that can do it.
