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70D with 75Kwh Battery

Discussion in 'Model S: Battery & Charging' started by xG35, Jul 4, 2016.

  1. xG35

    xG35 Member

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    Looks like there is a few thread about whether the battery is capped at the top end or the bottom end. So i am here to debunk one of the myth..

    If I charge my 70D (Facelift with 75D battery) to 100%, there is NO brake regeneration until about 95% battery or so!

    So let the guess continues, unless Tesla even fake the regen with the software.
     
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  2. xG35

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    actually.. trying it this morning again... is not true.. there are some regen.. limited.
     

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    Well then we know part of the answer. It has to be at least top limited if not both because you got some regen at 100% fully charged.
     
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    As I understand it you may see limited regen until 90% SoC. 70 is about 93% of 75, so that fits a top limit.

    Do you see full regen at about 96%? If my math is right that should be just under 90% of 75.
     
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    Everyone knows a 60 is a software capped 70.

    And a 70 really has a 75 kWh battery, with anti-bricking room.

    Which is the same battery as in the 85, apparently, because nobody can get that much juice into an 85.

    ..I think 90 is the next bump up in physical battery. Which is probably a software limited 100.

    Until the Model S 100's come out, then they'll take the cap off.

    But them we'll figure out it's really only a 95.

    People with 90's will want unlocked 5 and pay $8000.

    People with 100's will decry foul! Not getting the full 100.

    But then... a 110 will get announced.

    FOR THE MODEL 3 !!
     
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  6. xG35

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    I believe you are right, my 90% as per the 70D is about 348KM.. my max range is 386; i do recall seeing full-regen about 370km or so.
     
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    Actually, I have an old 70D, with a 70kWh max battery in it. I don't see any regen limitation at 93-95%, really starts above that. I charged to 93% yesterday, and had full regen when left.

    Kinda sucks, but that may elude to you guys with newer 70/75kWh battery using the top portion.
     
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    I just picked up my 60S today, and I can charge to 100%. The sales advisor (or whatever they are called) told me they still recommend charging only to 90% even though I really have a 75kWh battery. So I'm not really sure what to believe here, I'm guessing he doesn't know and is just telling me what he tells everyone.
     
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    I have a late March 2016 MS70D and I was curious if might be software upgradable to 75. I asked TSVC if my battery was in fact a 75 kWh and was told that it was not and , therefore, could not be upgraded to 75.
     
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    I think you are one of the first with a new 60 (with a 75kWh battery).

    If you do a 100% charge, definitely capture the last 5% details on how it ramps down, if down to 4amps, 2amps, etc. and how it completes in time, etc. That will let us know if the car has to taper down due to your last 5% being the top end of the battery. If not, then it should be able to reach 100% much faster without tapering at all.

    -T
     
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    I am 100% sure mine charges at full 32A and full km.. till the very top of 100%
     
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    I just don't get why I can't order a 60D and upgrade to a 75D later... but I can order a 60, and get a 75 later...
     
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    That is great news if you have a MS 60 with a 75 kWh battery. Is this what you own? When did you order it?
     
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    Your confirmation to delivery elapsed time of 24 days gives me hope that I may experience similar rapid delivery being just a little south of you! By the way, does your car have rear cup holders on the back side of the integrated conole by any chance?
     
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    You are able to upgrade the new 60 or 60D to a 75kWh battery later. Not sure where you saw that you can't. It will cost you $500 more to upgrade after purchase... I'm honestly considering doing it after as I have large amounts of unexpected money coming my way 1-2 months after I start my lease of my 60D. I've heard mixed comments depending on the delivery specialist/source, but most seem to indicate you can charge the new 60/60D to 100% daily with no battery impact since that's 85% of the full battery charge. Honestly means you get the daily usage charge of the 75/75D w/ out paying more if that's the case... only benefit of the 75 would be for longer trips.
     
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    How would that work out with a lease? Would you upgrading from a 60D to a 75D change your residual, or would you essentially lose that value if you turn the car in at the end of the lease? (Making it more likely that you could sell it yourself and come out ahead at the end if you didn't want to keep it.)
     
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    Effectively doesn't change anything... arguably would cost me about the same as the upgrade cost to make my monthly lease payment the same. So effectively the upgrade value is lost when you turn in the car. But Tesla financing basically said it's out of pocket and doesn't effect the lease at all when I asked them about it.
     
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    If you did it at car purchase time the residual would be increased. I think the residual is ~54% of the base + ~45% of the options. Since the 75D is a "base" model that means your residual would be increased by $4,590, which should make the battery upgrade cost less over the lease period than paying the $9,000 out of pocket and getting no credit for it at turn in. Again if you upgrade you are probably better off selling it, or trading it in, at the end of the lease instead of selling it. (After all it will be a different model car at the end then when you started.)
     
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    I see that now, for a few days, if you clicked for the 60D, the option to upgrade to a 75D later went missing...

    thanks.

    I have a 85 now, and really want a 85/90D, but with all the talk of AP 2.0, I'm going to stick to my plan of paying it off, and then making a move. Down to $34,000 from a $75,000 purchase :)
     

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