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Sunlight
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Looking at the magical simplicity of the Cybertruck form and seeing people already copying it in cardboard and steel (in varying scales) makes me wonder if it would not be really easy to make longer/shorter/narrower versions by merely reprogramming the laser cutting and folding machines. Various cab arrangements and vault sizes. 2 or 3 wheelbases with different battery sizes.
Taking this to its logical extreme there could be a smaller version with no vault but just a small-ish trunk/boot. Yes a Cybertaxi…..
May not have the looks to make the average car purchaser want one but that would not matter a jot if it was merely transport from A to B in a spacious, comfortable, safe and sturdy vehicle.
Everlasting; cheap; immune to the usual urban wear and tear and functional it could be the basis for future robo-taxis. Flat surfaces for advertising; high seating for easy access etc.
Imagine a city in 10 years (?) teeming with gaily coloured (or s/s) mini Cybertruck Robo-Taxis busily hustling around their business!
Taking this to its logical extreme there could be a smaller version with no vault but just a small-ish trunk/boot. Yes a Cybertaxi…..
May not have the looks to make the average car purchaser want one but that would not matter a jot if it was merely transport from A to B in a spacious, comfortable, safe and sturdy vehicle.
Everlasting; cheap; immune to the usual urban wear and tear and functional it could be the basis for future robo-taxis. Flat surfaces for advertising; high seating for easy access etc.
Imagine a city in 10 years (?) teeming with gaily coloured (or s/s) mini Cybertruck Robo-Taxis busily hustling around their business!
Sunlight
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Here's one I made earlier....
Sorry about the lack of CGI skills so cut-and-paste it is.
Cyber Robo-Taxi
Sorry about the lack of CGI skills so cut-and-paste it is.
Cyber Robo-Taxi
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Class 2B-3 for the CT, gross weight 8500-10000 lbs.
Above the EU limit for car driving license "B" , max 3,5 Ton. 7700 lbs.
In EU would require a truck driving license "C1" that very few have, it's a professional driving license.
OK, EU is not intended for such a large vehicle, but anyway, pity....
Tesla's CARB letter hints at Cybertruck weight near 10,000 lbs, not in Ford F-150 class
Above the EU limit for car driving license "B" , max 3,5 Ton. 7700 lbs.
In EU would require a truck driving license "C1" that very few have, it's a professional driving license.
OK, EU is not intended for such a large vehicle, but anyway, pity....
Tesla's CARB letter hints at Cybertruck weight near 10,000 lbs, not in Ford F-150 class
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Gross vehicle weight is fully loaded.
This varies from country to country, but commercial driving licenses are typically only required if the gross weight of the truck exceeds a certain limit, or if dimensions are too big.
Correction: as others pointed out gross is maximum weight, so Tesla will have to de-rate the Cybertruck in certain markets.
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Depending on the country’s laws, the vehicle may need to be derated. In other words the maximum cargo specification has to be lowered so that it is under the limit, even though the vehicle could do more.
Indeed:
Alternative Fuels Data Center: Maps and Data - Vehicle Weight Classes & Categories
"The vehicle weight classes are defined by FHWA and are used consistently throughout the industry. These classes, 1-8, are based on gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), the maximum weight of the vehicle, as specified by the manufacturer. GVWR includes total vehicle weight plus fluids, passengers, and cargo"
Just subtracting payload alone reduces the possible range of empty masses to 5000-6500 lbs (2,27-2,95t). Subtract maybe 1300lbs / 600kg more max for passengers. (3700-4300lbs / 1,68-1,95t)
bhtooefr
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From main:
So, 8,501-10,000 for the RWD, 10,001-14,000 for the tri-motor AWD, and somewhere in between for the dual motor.
That means the weights you quote (5,001-6,500 lbs) are for the RWD only, and the tri-motor AWD is somewhere between 6,501 and 10,500. I would expect it to be 12,000 lbs or less (otherwise a CDL would be required in the US to tow its max 14,000 lb trailer due to running foul of the combined weight rules with a >10,000 lb trailer), which would mean 8,500 lbs max empty mass for tri-motor AWD.
Also, payload includes passengers. So, don't subtract a second time for them.
They're talking about both Class 2b and 3.
So, 8,501-10,000 for the RWD, 10,001-14,000 for the tri-motor AWD, and somewhere in between for the dual motor.
That means the weights you quote (5,001-6,500 lbs) are for the RWD only, and the tri-motor AWD is somewhere between 6,501 and 10,500. I would expect it to be 12,000 lbs or less (otherwise a CDL would be required in the US to tow its max 14,000 lb trailer due to running foul of the combined weight rules with a >10,000 lb trailer), which would mean 8,500 lbs max empty mass for tri-motor AWD.
Also, payload includes passengers. So, don't subtract a second time for them.
Elon stated the CT would weigh near a F150. Its looking that will not even be close. Even for the base models. C&D speculated a 5 ton curb weight, and its looking like they guessed right.
Report: Tesla Cybertruck Will Be a Heavy Duty Truck - Here Is What It Means In Terms of Efficiency, Safety, and Weight - The Fast Lane Truck
Classification GVWR Example
Class 1 0 – 6,000 lbs Toyota Tacoma
Class 2a 6,001 – 8,500 lbs Ford F-150
Class 2b 8,501 – 10,000 lbs Ram HD 2500
Class 3 10,001 – 14,000 lbs Chevy HD 3500
Class 4 14,001 – 16,000 lbs Ford F-450 Chassis
Class 5 16,001 – 19,500 lbs Chevy HD 5500
Class 6 19,501 – 26,000 lbs Ford F-650
Class 7 26,001 – 33,000 lbs Ford F-750
Class 8 33,001+ lbs Semi truck
You are mixing up weight and GVWR. One is the weight of the actual vehicle, the other is the weight loaded to the limit. (An F150 has a much lower GVWR because of the smaller payload capacity.)
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Motor vehicles up to 3.5t (3500 kg) gross weight and maximum 9 seats including driver.
A holder of class B license can draw the following trailers with his/her car:
- Trailers up to 750 kg gross weight,
- Trailers over 750 kg of permissible maximum weight, provided the total weight of towing vehicle and trailer is not greater than 3500 kg.
Minimum age required: 18 years (17 years for participants in the "Accompanied driving with 17" (BF 17)).77
Driving a van
You can drive a van up to 3,500kg if you have a standard car driving licence.
Weight limits and loading
Your van has a maximum it’s allowed to weigh when loaded. This is called the ‘design gross weight’, which you can find on your van’s vehicle identification number (VIN) plate.
It’s sometimes known as the ‘gross vehicle weight’ or ‘laden weight’, but means the same thing.
What the weight limit includes
It’s the maximum the van is allowed to weigh, including the weight of the:
A holder of class B license can draw the following trailers with his/her car:
- Trailers up to 750 kg gross weight,
- Trailers over 750 kg of permissible maximum weight, provided the total weight of towing vehicle and trailer is not greater than 3500 kg.
Minimum age required: 18 years (17 years for participants in the "Accompanied driving with 17" (BF 17)).77
Driving a van
You can drive a van up to 3,500kg if you have a standard car driving licence.
Weight limits and loading
Your van has a maximum it’s allowed to weigh when loaded. This is called the ‘design gross weight’, which you can find on your van’s vehicle identification number (VIN) plate.
It’s sometimes known as the ‘gross vehicle weight’ or ‘laden weight’, but means the same thing.
What the weight limit includes
It’s the maximum the van is allowed to weigh, including the weight of the:
- van
- driver and passengers
- fuel
- load
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doghousePVD
My grandfather’s car
Tanks are the very opposite of thin-skinned automobiles. Mildly interesting, but irrelevant and off-topic.
You're merging two entirely different sections of that webpage and treating them as the same thing. You can drive any van so long as you're not carrying a weight that puts it in excess of 3500kg.
Can I drive a van? The vans you can drive on your licence
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The one thing you need to be aware of is a van's Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM). It must be no more than 3,500kg (3.5 tonnes), and while even the biggest vans on sale in the UK come in below this limit, adding a heavy payload could exceed the MAM for the van you're driving. That's when you could get into trouble, because driving an overweight vehicle is illegal, and you could face points on your licence, a fine and even a court summons if you're caught.
Vans over 3.5 tonnes
There aren't many vans that exceed the 3,500kg weight limit on their own, but plenty will pass the MAM limit with a full payload on board. If you want to drive one of these, then you'll need a higher licence qualification, but only if you passed your test after 1 January 1997. If you passed your car test before then, you are allowed to drive commercial vehicles up to 8.5 tonnes, but not if you're driving one as part of your job. To do that, you need to take a professional Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) to qualify.
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ED: Sounds like UK law might require "downplating", though:
Vehicle weights explained | nidirect
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If a vehicle is unlikely to be used at its potential maximum weight, it may be down-plated, so that a lower weight is specified on the plate. The manufacturer should be contacted, and a replacement plate sought to reflect the new weights.
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With the debut of the CT, it ended the plethora of bad Tesla renders for the most part. But this render of a Cyber Sedan is believable, and who knows may be on someone's CAD in Hawthorne along with a Cyber SUV.
Tesla Model S Cybersedan Is What Happens If We Cyber All The Things
I actually think this thing would sell.
Stock thread, so SP at present 361.71
This makes no sense unless we keep ignoring everything Tesla has said about the Cybertruck design: How Tesla's Cybertruck Turns Car Engineering Norms Upside-Down - Motor Trend
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Don't understand your point.
The maximum gross weight that your allowed to drive with the EU driving license "B", is 3500 gross weight.
The gross weight is written on the car's paper, it's a fixed value, and says if you can drive that vehicle upon your license.
It indicate a legal potentiality for the vehicle, that can be fullfilled at any time.
Or do you think police starts to count people on board and weighg what you have in the boot?
humbaba
sleeping until $7000
Okay, can you just accept what has been pointed out already (that Tesla will likely derate the cybertruck in some markets) and let it be. You misstated the vehicles weight to try and make a point, you were wrong, but it did point out the weight capacity rating for different markets. So an inadvertent win.
Let it go.
Alphacrux
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So Elektrek quotes Tesla as saying this in a filing:
"Further, Tesla just recently announced the development of its first pickup truck, the Cybertruck"
By saying, "first", is this an implicit acknowledgement of more pickups to come? All of us here probably expected Tesla to fill in the gaps and electrify the entire truck range, in fulfillment of its mission...
https://ww.electrek.co/2019/12/13/tesla-cybertruck-medium-duty-vehicle-carb/
"Further, Tesla just recently announced the development of its first pickup truck, the Cybertruck"
By saying, "first", is this an implicit acknowledgement of more pickups to come? All of us here probably expected Tesla to fill in the gaps and electrify the entire truck range, in fulfillment of its mission...
https://ww.electrek.co/2019/12/13/tesla-cybertruck-medium-duty-vehicle-carb/
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