ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Too much weight. Any decently sharp turn and it’ll fling it off AP and into the next lane.
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Any hack to remove the autopilot nag?
- Thread starter Zorak03
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Sure, if you remove hands of the wheel, which I never do, especially in a corner. If you don't, it's likely a non-issue.
Akikiki
A'-Lo-HA ! y'all
Guys, you want to find a way to cheap the controls, or in other words bypass safety controls, no one can stop you - until you have an accident and the lawyers on their side drag you into court for doing what you say here you are going to do. If you are going to do it, don't leave bread crumbs here that you are planning on or doing it. Don't kid yourself that they will never find your comments here. The right keywords in a Google search will pop TMC comments right up on their screen.
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Fernand
Active Member
The "driver inattention detector" is not adjustable. I'm someone who has countless times knocked the AP out by jerking, and sometimes failed to notice. That's a barrel of laughs when you're expecting correction as you're heading for the proverbial ditch.
I've tried all practical hand positions on the wheel, for me none prevent nags. I don't want to disable the nag, what I want is for small corrections from my hand to satisfy the system. My hand rests around the 3:00 position, elbow on the console. A small 3-4 oz weight on the back of the right spoke, held on with a velcro strap, is what I wrap my fingers around. When a nag does occur, it only takes a tiny motion to clear it. Mission accomplished.
Using heavier weights is a very bad idea because 1) it's unnecessary, 2) you don't want to defeat what is after all a reasonable safety interlock, even though it's not ideally implemented and 3) with a heavier weight the drag to the right becomes annoying in Manual driving.
Now I think I'll go hide, expecting Puritan and L&O fire.
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I've tried all practical hand positions on the wheel, for me none prevent nags. I don't want to disable the nag, what I want is for small corrections from my hand to satisfy the system. My hand rests around the 3:00 position, elbow on the console. A small 3-4 oz weight on the back of the right spoke, held on with a velcro strap, is what I wrap my fingers around. When a nag does occur, it only takes a tiny motion to clear it. Mission accomplished.
Using heavier weights is a very bad idea because 1) it's unnecessary, 2) you don't want to defeat what is after all a reasonable safety interlock, even though it's not ideally implemented and 3) with a heavier weight the drag to the right becomes annoying in Manual driving.
Now I think I'll go hide, expecting Puritan and L&O fire.
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Akikiki
A'-Lo-HA ! y'all
OH YEAH. That's going to look good on the big screen in the courtroom in front of a bunch of Tesla hater jurors.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Who says they have to be Tesla haters? They could just be straight up haters.
You just said you disagreed with my suggestion of using the "sides" of the wheel, now you're saying you won't use bottom either. <Scratching head>. I refuse to use the bottom of the wheel as well and placing one hand on either side over a fairly wide range works for most. Folks may disagree on how wide that range is.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
At least you were smart enough to mount it behind the wheel... in a previous thread I recall a dude proudly showing off the small bag of BBs he had taped to the front to beat the nag... which will be a lot of fun if his airbag ever deploys.
This is the best answer for OP's original concern. I also sometimes accidentally disengage AP when trying to apply torque to satsify the nags and now i simply use the scroll wheels instead (either volume or speed) to make it shut up.
Adding a weight to the wheel is incredibly dangerous if something were to actually happen to you, like a medical emergency.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Yes but that’s not really a solution since it’s an unnatural movement in high frequency, just like gently pulling on the wheel with the hand opposing. How often are you really adjusting the volume in regular practice?
Driver aid meant to reduce fatigue requires frequent fatigue inducing movements to satisfy arbitrary input requirements. This is a big part of why FSD isn’t worth buying yet.
Driver aid meant to reduce fatigue requires frequent fatigue inducing movements to satisfy arbitrary input requirements. This is a big part of why FSD isn’t worth buying yet.
Adjusting the scroll wheels? You can literally hit them with your thumb when holding the wheel with one hand, it's super convenient and way better than worrying about yanking the wheel into another lane by accident IMO
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
What's so hard to understand? Using 6 o'clock to get around the nag works 100%, which you claimed doesn't work.
My choice of not using it is a safety issue, not an issue of avoiding nag.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
I feel that a little logic is all most people ask for. If I’m on a twisty, windy road or the car is needing to change lanes frequently then yes. That should prompt input more often. If I’m on a road with light traffic that you could probably land a jet on, that should require less inputs.
On my 2015 Model S I didn't have much issue with nags because the torque sensor seemed to be pretty sensitive to my hands at the wheel. But, I didn't use AP that much because TACC itself was really good and AP1 had some issues (like Truck lust).
On my 2018 Model 3 the torque sensor is horrible. Like the edge between holding it with enough torque not to nag is so close to the torque required to cancel it that its problematic. The other thing is TACC itself isn't any good where there is too much false braking. Sure the false braking still happens with AP, but at least AP is halfway decent. Plus the user initiated lane changes are a thing of beauty with AP2 (not the NoA initiated lane changes as they suck).
On my 2018 Model 3 the torque sensor is horrible. Like the edge between holding it with enough torque not to nag is so close to the torque required to cancel it that its problematic. The other thing is TACC itself isn't any good where there is too much false braking. Sure the false braking still happens with AP, but at least AP is halfway decent. Plus the user initiated lane changes are a thing of beauty with AP2 (not the NoA initiated lane changes as they suck).
If you're really picky about your music you'll almost never get nagged. 
Tam
Well-Known Member
The only time that I got nags was when I didn't know what I was doing as I first picked up my car from delivery.
I quickly learned that I need to create a constant counter-torque, and not holding the steering wheel.
That's how I get the feedback from the automation so that I know whether it's steering correctly or not and I can override it seamlessly.
I can place my hand anywhere on the steering wheel but the trick is creating continuous counter-torque. And I could rest my elbows on the side door or central armrest as well while doing that.
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