Arbitration: 90d rapid battery degradation

[evalst2018]

Are there any tools that allow you to pull historical data, prior to signing up for teslaspy or teslafi?

 

[ACA Man]

I was originally thinking that you may be able to get them on false advertising as they are listing a product with a false range value but they cover themselves with the blanket statement (bold added by me):

"Figures based on testing new vehicles to EPA standards. Vehicle range may change depending on battery age and condition, vehicle configuration, driving style, environmental and climate change."

By that logic, they can sell a used car that gets a max of 100 miles at 100% and be in the clear because they don't have any guarantee for a % of range loss in the S and X.

If they were being truly ethical, they would either post the car's actual range at 100% or just show a photo of it for used cars.

Where did you find that statement?

 

[dannycamps]

Where did you find that statement?

Right on their used car detail pages.

 

[ACA Man]

Right on their used car detail pages.

They are slick.

There was no such statement when we bought ours.
Must have it added after we filed our suit.

 

[evalst2018]

So Tesla got back to me from the CDSP dispute. They are claiming the 90d range based on Monroney is 270 miles.

I used to hold Tesla in high value, but they are a fraud, I will be selling all my shares of Tesla stock.

 

[MP3Mike]

So Tesla got back to me from the CDSP dispute. They are claiming the 90d range based on Monroney is 270 miles.

It sounds like Tesla thinks you have a P90D instead of a standard 90D. Any chance that is the case?

 

[FlatSix911]

The 90D was EPA rated at 294 miles Tesla Model S - Wikipedia

 

[evalst2018]

It sounds like Tesla thinks you have a P90D instead of a standard 90D. Any chance that is the case?

No...they are lying. They even have a photo of the Monroney sticker it says 270 on it. but all the used 90d on the Tesla website all show 294.

here is one I found online, that shows 294 as we all know it to be.

 

[dannycamps]

The pre-facelift Model S 90D had an EPA-rated range of 288. The refreshed Model S 90D bumped that up to 294. Either way both are higher than 270.

 

[croman]

Good thing the arbitration is not binding on the consumer. That's a pretty bad lie to go with but the arbitrator might be trusting and not tech saavy.

 

[David.85D]

Good luck, but I don’t see an obvious path to success for you. S/X battery warranty clearly does not cover degradation. Just failures. Arbitration isn’t gonna go any deeper than that.

The path is easy. It’s an undocumented failure. Not normal degradation. In all filings and complaints, refer to it as battery failure.

 

[David.85D]

They are slick.

There was no such statement when we bought ours.
Must have it added after we filed our suit.

Use the internet archive to look at the old versions of the web page.

 

[ucmndd]

The path is easy. It’s an undocumented failure. Not normal degradation. In all filings and complaints, refer to it as battery failure.

Yeah, good luck with that.

 

[ACA Man]

So Tesla got back to me from the CDSP dispute. They are claiming the 90d range based on Monroney is 270 miles.

I used to hold Tesla in high value, but they are a fraud, I will be selling all my shares of Tesla stock.

Did they put that 270 number in writing?

 

[evalst2018]

Did they put that 270 number in writing?

Yes

 

[ACA Man]

Yes

Then that's the proof they lied.

As of now, how much degradation is it?

 

[cduzz]

Then that's the proof they lied.

As of now, how much degradation is it?

Does anyone have a monroney from an early 90D?

 

[dannycamps]

Hmm...it does appear the 2015 90D had a rated range of 270 (at least according to FuelEconomy.gov). Really makes you wonder what changed between the '15 and '16 to improve the range so much.

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[evalst2018]

Hmm...it does appear the 2015 90D had a rated range of 270 (at least according to FuelEconomy.gov). Really makes you wonder what changed between the '15 and '16 to improve the range so much.

Compare Side-by-Side

My car was a 3/2016....every car Tesla sells whether 2015/2016 pre-refresh or post refresh says 294. The pack is exactly the same they kept tweaking the software. Feeling like Tesla is a fraudster!

 

[cduzz]

Hmm...it does appear the 2015 90D had a rated range of 270 (at least according to FuelEconomy.gov). Really makes you wonder what changed between the '15 and '16 to improve the range so much.

Compare Side-by-Side

My understanding is that when tesla first introduced the 90 battery pack they simply left the EPA mileage rating at the advertised range of the 85 (manufacturers are allowed to understate mileage but not overstate it.

My understanding is that they updated the range a couple times, and eventually settled on the post-facelift range of 294.

I don't have the original window sticker of my car but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 270, 288, or 294.