corduroy
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I wish there was an inverse of AP jail, like an "AP honors status" where if you have proven x amount of safe driving miles on AP, your nags get progressively reduced.
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Are you OK with AutoPilot jail?
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Yes. If you not using it correctly then it apparently isn't safe to use it.
The intent isn't that you do the absolute minimum to keep driving in an unsafe way. The goal is that you get out of the car take a walk for minute, go to the bathroom, breathe some fresh air, or get a coffee or something. It's ensuring that you are still there and are attentive enough.
The actual safety issue is someone driving around not paying enough attention thinking that autopilot is really FSD. That's how people run into stopped fire engines, hit semi-trucks turning in front of them, and otherwise put themselves and others in danger.
Wooloomooloo
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^ this.
Squeezing, banging or yelling at the steering wheel doesn't do anything. just light pressure on the left or right will do it.
I'm okay with it for people who continually disregarding "hands on wheel" messages. But for the rare occasion when you exceed 90mph, it's super frustrating. I'm fine with it disengaging AP temporarily, but the "penalty" is too much given there's no warning, and it's too easy to forget about the 90mph limit.
It's never happened to me personally while driving, but twice while a passenger in my brother's car in the middle of a 4 hour road trip he found himself in an unsafe situation with trucks merging or in a truck's blindspot and sped up to move to a safer position and exceeded 90mph. After much cursing, the remedy was then to pull over on the side of the highway was cars speeding past, which in itself was much less safe than not being put in AP jail in the first place.
It's never happened to me personally while driving, but twice while a passenger in my brother's car in the middle of a 4 hour road trip he found himself in an unsafe situation with trucks merging or in a truck's blindspot and sped up to move to a safer position and exceeded 90mph. After much cursing, the remedy was then to pull over on the side of the highway was cars speeding past, which in itself was much less safe than not being put in AP jail in the first place.
Msjulie
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I never exceed 90 unless I'm flipping holding on tight and even then it's rare you can find a place to do that around here..
Jail seems a good thing if you've been a bad kid
Jail seems a good thing if you've been a bad kid
If you are even marginally paying attention the nags are easy to spot, especially when it flashes blue. 14k miles on my car and never been in AP jail. I've only heard the audible warning once.
Press firmly to one side for about 2 seconds, but not so hard that it disengages. It seems to like that better than shaking or fast actions.
What is is looking for (as I understand it) is the type of force that your hands will naturally exert on the steering wheel if left in a normal position while it auto steers.
That's how I got AP Jail the only time I have gotten it. I had a semi cutting into my lane and a guy riding my rear and needed to accelerate for a second to get away. Drove the next 100 miles to the supercharger without AP. It was an 80 MPH road so it's not like I was doing anything crazy exceeding 90 for a second.
It doesn't seem as if any of the methods that you are using works. There's two different things that the system recognizes. The first is torque on the wheel, that's putting pressure to the right or left, just as you would to take it off autopilot, but just not as much. One hand resting on a side should be sufficient,.
The second, and newer method is button pressing. If you roll the volume up or down one notch, that's all that is needed.
mtndrew1
Active Member
The fact that this thread exists makes me VERY glad there’s AP jail.
I’m at 11k miles, 75% of them on autopilot, and I’ve never had this happen to me. How inattentive must one be for this to be a concern?!
I’m at 11k miles, 75% of them on autopilot, and I’ve never had this happen to me. How inattentive must one be for this to be a concern?!
We call it "Time-Out" and while is an irritating, it is required to keep people alert.
Thank you Doug. My method is pushing up on the wheel from the 7 and 5 o clock positions.
My frustrations are a bit exaggerated for humor purposes. Its not that bad.
Though an internal cam that tracks movements would make the experience friction less.
Aw, come on, how in the hell is it a safety issue if you can't turn it back on? After all, there are millions of cars that don't have it.
To re-enable it doesn't require parking the car and opening the door. All it requires is to put the car in park. It's a penalty that can take less than an minute to overcome.
But most importantly, try fixing the real problem. It's pretty obvious that what you are doing isn't solving the problem, so instead of beating your head against the wall and bitching, change what you are doing. And don't come back with the crap that you don't want to change how you drive, because, in fact, autopilot itself, is a change in how you drive. Learn the new feature.
Let’s be honest. People are always going to push the limits of technology, so I’m totally fine with AP jail if you don’t respond to the nag - especially considering how little Tesla teaches you about Autopilot’s usage and it’s functionality. It’s really quite hilarious how so many customers know so little about their cars and how the functions work.
IMO TACC should always be available, but autosteer should also automatically disengage when the driver presses the accelerator without any “ap jail” reactivation requirements. On top of that, there should be a one-time use “get out of jail free” timer of 15-20 minutes to be able reactivate autosteer without having to exit for those who might get in jail on a long drive without a good place to pull over.
IMO TACC should always be available, but autosteer should also automatically disengage when the driver presses the accelerator without any “ap jail” reactivation requirements. On top of that, there should be a one-time use “get out of jail free” timer of 15-20 minutes to be able reactivate autosteer without having to exit for those who might get in jail on a long drive without a good place to pull over.
I think jail is OK now that they've fixed the warning message to provide some decent info about what you need to do to fix the problem. I was put in "jail" one time. Here's why: I was using AP for a long drive for the first time and didn't understand that it needs turning resistance to "know" that you have a hand on the wheel. I thought it sensed your grip on the wheel, so I started trying to crush the wheel when the warnings began, to no avail. Anyway, with some more research the next day and new more powerful handshake I learned what I was doing wrong.
I have no problem keeping my hand on the wheel, it would just be nice if it knew my hand was on the wheel. I can usually find the sweet spot and avoid the nag but sometimes I feel that the biggest distraction when in autopilot is trying to not get nagged.
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
Say “Elon Musk” three times into a mirror while standing naked in a pitch black room holding only a Tesla flamethrower and a pack of twizzlers.
Or just use the left or right scroll wheel. Adjusting the speed or music volume slightly also satisfies the nag.
