I appreciate the many thoughtful replies. Number 3, the continuous wobble back and forth in a lane change maneuver was the deal breaker for me. Still don't know if this is a service problem with my car or endemic to the beta software. The bottom line is that 5k to 7k is too much to charge for beta software. (whatever Beta means)
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Auto steer Not ready for prime time
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That's why they made chocolate, as not everyone loves vanilla. My guess is for those unhappy with EAP is, in part, they aren't used to not driving. It took me quite awhile to get 'comfortable' with it. What I found is spinning the right mouse wheel down 5 mph on exits made the process much more tolerable. I found doing that gives me enough confidence to relax my shoulders and enjoy the ride.
The functionality is still (or seems to be) light years beyond what other cars have right now. Take bad with the good and to each his own.
Admittedly not a good look with Elon appearing disengaged (hands off) on the 60 minutes interview, but the system has resulted in me being more effectively engaged in driving. Not from a freak out perspective, but from the perspective of just watching what other cars are doing without focusing on the mundane act of keeping the car between the lane lines.
All that said, if you can’t handle any software bugs or glitches, it’s not for you.
Admittedly not a good look with Elon appearing disengaged (hands off) on the 60 minutes interview, but the system has resulted in me being more effectively engaged in driving. Not from a freak out perspective, but from the perspective of just watching what other cars are doing without focusing on the mundane act of keeping the car between the lane lines.
All that said, if you can’t handle any software bugs or glitches, it’s not for you.
sperkin
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1) Real annoying and hope Tesla removes this soon. Otherwise search YouTube videos.
2) There is a spot in LA where my car will veer into the center divider when 1 lane becomes 2 lanes + an exit lane. It gets confused because now the road is like 40 feet wide.
3) Lance change is very slow like a new scared driver or a very old driver with bad vision. lance change can't make 3 or 4 lane changes in a row. You have to change lanes, drive a little, and then change lanes again. You can't keep signaling or the car will just sit there with the blinkers On.
4) It's a bit jerky. It hit the brakes first and then dives into the next lane.\
5) Very good in LA traffic on the left lane. I set it to 7 and it gets me to work stress free. Only 2 spots where I have to take off AP to make lane changes and take the correct freeway interchange. Nav on AP is broken for me. I try everyday but take it off since it's make dumb decisions like change all the way to the right lane 2 miles before it actually comes up. Nav on AP also wants me to go off the freeway to take local streets (it doesn't even save 30 min - it adds more time due to more traffic on local streets).
That’s really strange. Your experience with auto-steer and auto-lane change is completely different than mine. I drive in Phoenix, and do about 100 miles in an average day, mostly on the freeway. I find the newer version, since V9, of the auto lane change works very reliably, and almost never had any issues.
It does try to center when the lane markings disappear, but in the city this doesn’t happen. However, if you’re on the interstate and not getting off, why travel in the right one anyway? It would be nice if it could be told to maintain a spacing from the left side of the lane if it widens, that would prevent most of these issues you described.
I have found auto-steer to be one of the best features of this car, I just wish I didn’t have to always apply pressure to the wheel. Even if I am paying attention, the pressure is a PIA as you stated.
When I change lanes, I find the speed is a little slow for my liking, I wish I could speed it up, to not go so slow with aggressive Phoenix drivers. It does a good job of speeding up or slowing down to find the right gap to fit in. It does a good job of aborting if someone suddenly blocks your gap. I haven’t had a situation where someone blocks my gap and my return space too. I don’t know what it would do, but that’s why you are supposed to be ready to take over at any time.
Anyway, the Model 3 is my first Tesla, and I do truly love it. I feel bad that your experience was so much different than mine. I have to wonder if there is a hardware or software issue with you car that is making it perform so badly. Honestly, the experience in my car is just amazing. Back with version 8.x software this wasn’t always the case, but definitely is now. However, I haven’t driven in the last 4 weeks, maybe a recent update has caused issues. In the future please post the model of your car, and version of software when you write this up, and others can compare based on similar models.
It does try to center when the lane markings disappear, but in the city this doesn’t happen. However, if you’re on the interstate and not getting off, why travel in the right one anyway? It would be nice if it could be told to maintain a spacing from the left side of the lane if it widens, that would prevent most of these issues you described.
I have found auto-steer to be one of the best features of this car, I just wish I didn’t have to always apply pressure to the wheel. Even if I am paying attention, the pressure is a PIA as you stated.
When I change lanes, I find the speed is a little slow for my liking, I wish I could speed it up, to not go so slow with aggressive Phoenix drivers. It does a good job of speeding up or slowing down to find the right gap to fit in. It does a good job of aborting if someone suddenly blocks your gap. I haven’t had a situation where someone blocks my gap and my return space too. I don’t know what it would do, but that’s why you are supposed to be ready to take over at any time.
Anyway, the Model 3 is my first Tesla, and I do truly love it. I feel bad that your experience was so much different than mine. I have to wonder if there is a hardware or software issue with you car that is making it perform so badly. Honestly, the experience in my car is just amazing. Back with version 8.x software this wasn’t always the case, but definitely is now. However, I haven’t driven in the last 4 weeks, maybe a recent update has caused issues. In the future please post the model of your car, and version of software when you write this up, and others can compare based on similar models.
That’s really strange. Your experience with auto-steer and auto-lane change is completely different than mine. I drive in Phoenix, and do about 100 miles in an average day, mostly on the freeway. I find the newer version, since V9, of the auto lane change works very reliably, and almost never had any issues.
It does try to center when the lane markings disappear, but in the city this doesn’t happen. However, if you’re on the interstate and not getting off, why travel in the right one anyway? It would be nice if it could be told to maintain a spacing from the left side of the lane if it widens, that would prevent most of these issues you described.
I have found auto-steer to be one of the best features of this car, I just wish I didn’t have to always apply pressure to the wheel. Even if I am paying attention, the pressure is a PIA as you stated.
When I change lanes, I find the speed is a little slow for my liking, I wish I could speed it up, to not go so slow with aggressive Phoenix drivers. It does a good job of speeding up or slowing down to find the right gap to fit in. It does a good job of aborting if someone suddenly blocks your gap. I haven’t had a situation where someone blocks my gap and my return space too. I don’t know what it would do, but that’s why you are supposed to be ready to take over at any time.
Anyway, the Model 3 is my first Tesla, and I do truly love it. I feel bad that your experience was so much different than mine. I have to wonder if there is a hardware or software issue with you car that is making it perform so badly. Honestly, the experience in my car is just amazing. Back with version 8.x software this wasn’t always the case, but definitely is now. However, I haven’t driven in the last 4 weeks, maybe a recent update has caused issues. In the future please post the model of your car, and version of software when you write this up, and others can compare based on similar models.
It does try to center when the lane markings disappear, but in the city this doesn’t happen. However, if you’re on the interstate and not getting off, why travel in the right one anyway? It would be nice if it could be told to maintain a spacing from the left side of the lane if it widens, that would prevent most of these issues you described.
I have found auto-steer to be one of the best features of this car, I just wish I didn’t have to always apply pressure to the wheel. Even if I am paying attention, the pressure is a PIA as you stated.
When I change lanes, I find the speed is a little slow for my liking, I wish I could speed it up, to not go so slow with aggressive Phoenix drivers. It does a good job of speeding up or slowing down to find the right gap to fit in. It does a good job of aborting if someone suddenly blocks your gap. I haven’t had a situation where someone blocks my gap and my return space too. I don’t know what it would do, but that’s why you are supposed to be ready to take over at any time.
Anyway, the Model 3 is my first Tesla, and I do truly love it. I feel bad that your experience was so much different than mine. I have to wonder if there is a hardware or software issue with you car that is making it perform so badly. Honestly, the experience in my car is just amazing. Back with version 8.x software this wasn’t always the case, but definitely is now. However, I haven’t driven in the last 4 weeks, maybe a recent update has caused issues. In the future please post the model of your car, and version of software when you write this up, and others can compare based on similar models.
It's the only way to prove to some people that it steers itself. Also, for TV purposes it makes the point. I don't think it's that bad if you''re ready to grab the wheel back immediately and you only do it for a few seconds. Elon probably commented that you're not supposed to leave your hands off the wheel, but they edited that out to save time. I didn't really think much of that interview honestly. It was all fluff and very little substance.
On the wobble, it does better at keeping a lane than other drivers I see in front of me.
On 'beta', allow me to educate.
There are roughly 3 stages of software development:
1) alpha - this is roughed in (as in dry wall) software developers have gotten to worthy of internal proof of concept. This level never leaves the development environment.
2) beta - this is the level of software that has successfully passed internal testing and is ready for more wide spread testing. It could also be a regulatory 'dodge' to avoid law suits etc. It is not considered bullet proof but usable.
3) General Availability (GA) this is software that is deemed to pass the warranty of merchantability. In other words they deem this bullet proof enough for general use.
As for regulatory -- I believe as of this point no state has approved any autonomous vehicles. By way of requiring proof of driver engagement pressure on the steering wheel demonstrates the driver is not sleeping, reading a book, engaged in sexual activity etc. The accidents that occur in Teslas are clearly those where the driver was no longer actively engaged in the control of the vehicle.
I have an early 85D with AP and must say that the software updates have improved it significantly. I never have experienced a “wobble” with lane change as it always works well and veering while cresting a hill has been almost completely eliminated. Still experiencing “wandering “ in wide lanes but should be mindful at these junctures anyway. Speed limit signs have always been read without flaw.
I have found these exact same issue in my experimentation commuting in the Bay Area. I appreciate hearing about your experience.
I know that it's not yet ready for prime time. The wandering was a problem. When you take over from it everyone in the car knows. Situational awareness is not there (rain, debris in the road, poor driving conditions). I responded before auto steer when a semi came into my lane. Waiting for the next version.
Moose408
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Tracking the left lane paint was the cause of the Tesla X crash in CA that was the result of the 2nd AP death. The left exit does not have standard striping and AP tried to center in the lane and it drove right in to the barrier.
It is not an easy solution because there are always going to be edge cases.
I have stopped even trying to use auto steer. Never had it last more than 5 minutes before I had to take over or it auto disengaged. I do like TACC but even it has some annoying issues like slamming on the brakes because of a car sitting in a driveway or car in the other lane when going around a sharp curve or having to disengage when going through 15 MPH school zones because the minimum is 18 MPH.
Knightshade
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Not sure why people keep thinking this... it ain't true.
automated vehicles are legal to varying degrees in many states- they're just not actually available for sale to consumers yet.
