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Likely both. Mercedes is good weather only, no lane change, no nav. Tesla does better on limited access highways, but with nags.Is this a big milestone that Tesla missed or hype?
I just read that Benz got level 3 approval. Can my model 2021 model S get there? It says you can legally watch movies and not touch the steering wheel or require eyes on the road (40 mph limit though). Is this a big milestone that Tesla missed or hype? I’m not up on the FSD stuff. Thx.
You do still have to keep your head roughly behind the steering wheel, so you can't lean all the way over in front of the screen to see things. Mercedes says that this is to make sure if something happens you can retake control.
On our drive, we did pass some emergency vehicles that had closed the right lane for cleaning. Once the system detected the flashing yellow lights, it prompted me to retake control of the vehicle. When prompted, the driver has 10 seconds to resume control or the system assumes you've had a medical episode, so it will slow the car to a stop, turn on the hazard lights, unlock the doors, and alert emergency personnel. Don't do this.
The system works pretty great; the rub is getting it to turn on and stay on. You might think that traffic-heavy Los Angeles is the perfect place to test this system, but we had to go hunting for traffic thick enough to keep the system on for sustained periods. Its operating conditions only make it work in heavy traffic, where the speeds stay low enough. While trying to test out the games or YouTube videos, we'd often be interrupted because the car in front of us would leave the lane or the speed would just tip above 40 mph.
And in those instances, when you retake control of the vehicle it shuts off all of the active advanced driving systems. So you have to reactivate the Level 2 system, then wait for the prompts for Drive Pilot readiness, then activate the system. Each and every time.
No. I don't think Tesla will ever pay for damages while using its system.I just read that Benz got level 3 approval. Can my model 2021 model S get there?
This is a big improvement.It says you can legally watch movies and not touch the steering wheel or require eyes on the road (40 mph limit though). Is this a big milestone that Tesla missed or hype?
Thx for the info! Yes def way too limited! I’ll stick with the Tesla and nags!
I see a lot of folks complaining that the ODD for Drive Pilot is too small. True. But I think we need to look at 2 axes.
It's also worth considering that not all ODD are created equal in terms of offering a useful experience for the occupants.
ODD that are predictable and don't change at a moment's notice allow an occupant to plan for when they might need to become a driver. A geofence is limiting, but you're not likely to find your vehicle unexpectedly outside of the geofence (unless it's shaped like a gerrymandered political district). Same thing with only day-time ODD, or only night-time ODD. It's restrictive, but not likely to oscillate unexpectedly.
Meanwhile, ODD like weather conditions, travel speed, lead vehicles, and emergency vehicle presence are likely to change rapidly, and not allow an occupant to fully disconnect from the driving task. The fact that Mercedes Drive Pilot still detects your head position and expects you upright in a driving position is evidence of this.
Drive Pilot may be a L3 system, but those fickle ODD criteria plus the very limited 10 second takeover time mean that in practice, most people will end up not being able to disconnect from the driving task as they would like, and would have to pay just as much attention to the driving task as they would for an L2 system.
This reviewer used it for 50 minutes in LA traffic without problem. Lots of people spend hundreds of hours a year stuck in highway traffic. Drive Pilot can free up those hours.It's so limited, I think it would be difficult to actually shift your attention away from driving. Edmunds broke down all the ODD restrictions:
The Level 3 is a Traffic Jam Assist, outside of that it's a Level 2 ADAS like Autopilot. Traffic jams will move <40mph and involve following other cars.Kind of useless if it is limited to 40 mph and has to follow another car.
The Level 3 is a Traffic Jam Assist, outside of that it's a Level 2 ADAS like Autopilot. Traffic jams will move <40mph and involve following other cars.
What's more informing to me is the list of restrictions and wondering how long it'll be before Tesla ever takes liability in all these restricted conditions, because all of that will be required to take liability for generalized robotaxis. Imagine that risk across an entire fleet of millions of vehicles, it's likely a long ways off.
It's not like flipping a light switch. When confidence drops from 99.9999% to 99.9998% or whatever they call for handover. They also have margins of safety - e.g. they've tested to a certain level of moisture on the road but call for handover well below that. And some conditions change slowly enough or can be detected far enough in advance that you have 10 seconds warning before you exit the ODD.What I don't understand is the 10 second handover time. If it's safe for the system to drive outside of the ODD for 10 seconds, why isn't it safe to do it for longer? Or is it expressly not safe during those 10 seconds? Will Mercedes take responsibility for accidents that happen during the handover time?
What I don't understand is the 10 second handover time. If it's safe for the system to drive outside of the ODD for 10 seconds, why isn't it safe to do it for longer? Or is it expressly not safe during those 10 seconds? Will Mercedes take responsibility for accidents that happen during the handover time?
That's a stretch of "all conditions". It means all conditions that humans can drive in. If the car is physically incapable of driving in a condition that wouldn't limit it from being level 5.In order to be level 5 cars need to be able to drive in these conditions.
and drivers in India yearn for the calm and sane streets of MalaysiaI'm on vacation in Malaysia, and I can say that none of the current AVs, nor any near future (IMO) AVs or ADAS systems will be able to drive here. The streets and motorways are so poorly planned, poorly executed, and the drivers are insane. Lane lines are just mild suggestions, and turning on your blinker is a signal for everyone in the adjacent lane to form ranks and drive literally 3 feet off the bumper of the lead car. People just start coming over and will hit you if you don't back off, causing honking. Traffic lights are usually honored by most cars, but motorcycles and mopeds usually ignore them. Streets are narrow and people just double and triple park, many times right in the middle of a travel lane, taking a 2 or 3 lane street down to 1 lane which people have to squeeze by.