Not exactly sure what you mean, but I have a 2018 Model 3 which includes a cabin camera.
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Autopilot buddy code is changed?
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Elon says no wheel touching will be needed at all by 12/31/2022
Cool. Still works perfectly and I’ve driven now about 1100 miles in a week. No strikes or extra warnings.
hybridbear
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Is there a consensus about what software version changed things? Green’s tweets reference 2022.40, but TeslaScope’s tweets say it’s in FSD Beta 10.69.3.1 (2022.36).
EVNow
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Tesla Motors: Hey every single municipal police, here's a list of people PUTTING WEIGHTS ON THEIR STEERING WHEELS
Police: ok
I did a follow-up test. Not only did adjusting the volume via the steering wheel scroll wheel after 9.5 minutes not prevent the nag, I actually got a forced disengagement got the first time at the 10 minute mark (or so).
Idk why I got a forced disengagement this time and not on my previous test drive, where I went the full 10 minutes without touching the steering wheel twice and only got a “nag” each time. Maybe the software gives you a pass on the first drive where it suspects a cheat device, or it only gives nags on the first two 10-minute intervals and then gives you a strike on the third.
And, just like someone else reported earlier, I got an “FSB Beta Warning” or strike recorded against me, even though I have FSD Beta disabled in the settings and was just using regular Autopilot. So now I’ve only got 4 FSD Beta strikes left.
Maybe tomorrow I’ll try repeating the test but after 9.5 minutes I’ll give the steering wheel a tug instead of just flicking a scroll wheel.
Lol. Police care not one bit about a wheel weight, as you know.Tesla Motors: Hey every single municipal police, here's a list of people PUTTING WEIGHTS ON THEIR STEERING WHEELS
Police: ok
95% have no idea about what a wheel weight is. Another 4% don’t care. The less than 1% of cops that know and care? Can’t charge you with anything as the weights are not illegal
I did a follow-up test. Not only did adjusting the volume via the steering wheel scroll wheel after 9.5 minutes not prevent the nag, I actually got a forced disengagement got the first time at the 10 minute mark (or so).
Idk why I got a forced disengagement this time and not on my previous test drive, where I went the full 10 minutes without touching the steering wheel twice and only got a “nag” each time. Maybe the software gives you a pass on the first drive where it suspects a cheat device, or it only gives nags on the first two 10-minute intervals and then gives you a strike on the third.
And, just like someone else reported earlier, I got an “FSB Beta Warning” or strike recorded against me, even though I have FSD Beta disabled in the settings and was just using regular Autopilot. So now I’ve only got 4 FSD Beta strikes left.
Maybe tomorrow I’ll try repeating the test but after 9.5 minutes I’ll give the steering wheel a tug instead of just flicking a scroll wheel.
would a bumpy road cause erratic torque, enough to surpass the threshold that Tesla is looking for? Or even just a single significant bump could reset the timer...
I'm honestly shocked that you're going 10 minutes without touching the wheel at all. I still touch mine every couple minutes even with a weight on. There's been a lot of construction around me on freeways and lines that have been recently moved so I have little to no faith in autopilot making the correct choice on which lines to follow.
BobDolesGhost
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I (Firmware Engineer) should team with 1 of our EEs and MEs and design a gadget that attaches to half the circumference of the steering wheel that randomly traverses a weight up/down the wheel perimeter to alter the torque moment. Maybe the movement is spring wound powered, with electronics powered from a coin cell? battery life would probably suck running a weight movement motor. Running a wire from your USB/12V outlets attached to the steering wheel is probably not a good idea - We'll sell it for $1k 
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Can be done much simpler. Follow the wiring of the steering wheel controls to the passenger footwell area. Add a simple microcontroller (I'm sure there's also a constant 12V line in that area too that can also power the MCU) and have it randomly every couple minutes short the required steering wheel wires that emulate a vol+ and vol- signal. No weight necessary.I (Firmware Engineer) should team with 1 of our EEs and MEs and design a gadget that attaches to half the circumference of the steering wheel that randomly traverses up/down the wheel perimeter to alter the torque moment - and sell it for $1k
BobDolesGhost
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I've seen posts that say a constant weight with adjusting the wheel controls still results in a strikeout. Not positive thats true yet, but some have said
I'm not really serious about this, but a weird fun thought exercise
Tapping into the steering wheel controls and emulating a vol+/vol- would also clear the hands on nag so this would be a way to circumvent wheel weight detection as there is no wheel weight but still clears nags.I've seen posts that say a constant weight with adjusting the wheel controls still results in a strikeout. Not positive thats true yet, but some have said
I'm not really serious about this, but a weird fun thought exercise
BobDolesGhost
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Ahh I see hah. Will have to have the up/dwn frequency and duration of pulse be randomized as well to confound Tesla's engineers efforts to defeat the defeat
Easy for them to defeat though, make steering wheel scrolls (speed/vol) not valid for clearing nag.
Tesla has always had that ability intentionally enabled for a reason. (As well as the AP/FSD speed changing via scroll wheel option to clearing nags). For years. Doubt they would change it now. Either way, should be a moot point in about 4 weeks as Elon has stated on the record that AP/FSD will not require any touching of the wheel at all by 12/31/2022.
“it will take you from your house to work to a friend’s house to the grocery store without touching the wheel" (c) Elon Musk
and thats supported by Tesla's official video on their website today which clearly shows no hands on wheel while on FSD.
Tesla Self-Driving Demonstration
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BobDolesGhost
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Agreed. It took a lot of discipline and a bit of luck to be able to go the full 10 minutes without intervening.
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