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Autopilot Fail

Discussion in 'Tesla, Inc.' started by AlexHolmes, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. luckyj

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    ROFL I started to have that thought when I finished writing all that. It all depends on where you're driving. On 17.17.4, I did a 10 hour drive from Chattanooga to DC suburbs, and had to take over maybe 4 or 5 times for a few seconds (other than to exit for charging). It did very well! That 10 hour drive was much less draining because of AP. But try to go around the DC beltway for 10 minutes with HW2 AP and you've got a death wish. 10 minutes feels like 10 hours of hell trying not to crash and burn. It's basically unusable except for brief stretches or at slow speeds.
     
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  2. ⚡️ELECTROMAN⚡️

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    OP you could post videos all day of AP2 fails. Like others have said, that didn't look like a wise place to be using AP1 or AP2.
     
  3. thenaimis

    thenaimis Former Tesla Cheerleader

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    Yep, here's some footage from video I recorded on a recent road trip. This isn't every instance of the AP2 swerving, either, it's just the ones that I managed to find in the 3+ hours of footage I had before I uploaded :)

    The first one could have gotten confused by the tar patches, the second one perhaps by the sun. One that didn't make it into the video the sky was completely overcast and I don't think there were any tar patches, though there were some small puddles.
     
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  4. thenaimis

    thenaimis Former Tesla Cheerleader

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    In the event someone is curious about the aforementioned footage that didn't make it into the public video, I've stuck it in this unlisted video. The conditions seem pretty different than what's in the public video. No, I don't care if you share it, I just made it unlisted because it's even less polished than my other videos ;-)
     
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    ⚡️ELECTROMAN⚡️ In loving memory of Version 8

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    It's good that you're letting the people know what they are getting into when buying a Tesla. It's an awesome car with no peers, but it's not perfect. AP2 is definitely not ready for prime time yet.
     
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    I would never use even AP1 on a two lane road with no divider and oncoming traffic and at such high speeds.
     
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  7. Barklikeadog

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    F that is scary.
    What bothers me in so many cases is Tesla always says; we looked at the logs and it is operator error.
    Every single case, operator error.
    The logs always show that the software(car) performed perfectly.
    It must be amazing to create software which is so so perfect, nobody else in our history seems to be able to do that but Tesla can.

    What if AP swerved while going over a hill and hit a pedestrian? Operator error?
    Driver didn't have his hand on the wheel tight enough to override a split second decision by a computer?
    I guarantee you, like any other automaker, they will avoid any and all blame as long as possible.
    /end rant
     
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    You just saved me a video.

    I'm currently driving an X75D AP2 loaner, 17.26.92, and I experienced this behavior yesterday. Road and weather conditions were good, late afternoon, no direct sun.
     
  9. lunitiks

    lunitiks Cool James & Black Teacher

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    Hill_tops.jpg
     
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  10. Electroman

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    Why is it difficult for people to understand when cresting a hill even a human has difficulty seeing the lanes, and mostly we make some guesses and adjust accordingly.
     
  11. Barklikeadog

    Barklikeadog Banned

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    Lanes looked fine and I wasn't seeing a hill crest at 1:30. Obvious operator error.
     
  12. daktari

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    Hmm, this reminds me of the drifting I have noticed when there is an undulation in the road. If the road bulges up and down a bit, the car interpret it as a turn since the camera is mono, not stereoscopic, and thus without a real "sense" of depth. Could that be the explanation?
     
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    lunitiks Cool James & Black Teacher

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    The explanation is that no road markings are visible - not for the cameras and not for you.

    You (human) would expect that the road is straight after the hill top - i.e. no sudden turn. AP doesn't know squat, so it just looses its mind
     
  14. Barklikeadog

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    It is a good thing that there aren't any hills between NY and LA.
     
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    I see the point but I would say the lane markers are visible all the time, just not so far ahead than before. And some of the fails in the unlisted video happens in the bottom of the "hill". So if Ap2 doesn't see those lane markers straight in front, I guess wide angle camera is not active and normal angle camera has some serious blind spots.
     
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    #56 Electroman, Jul 17, 2017
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    Re: Barklikeadog

    It's a good thing I have common sense.

    It's okay for if car drives by itself 95% of the distance. I will drive the rest.
     
  17. BrettS

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    The problem here isn’t what the autopilot software can and can’t do... we already know that it’s far from perfect. The problem is people’s perception of what the autopilot software should be able to do. Autopilot is never intended to be fully in control of the car. When autopilot is engaged, as the driver you need to be paying attention to the road and have your hands on the wheel and be ready to override it at any time. If you don’t do that then you are not operating autopilot as it is designed to be used and if there is a crash then it is operator error.
     
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    Do we know if the guy in the story had AP1 or AP2?

    AP2 seems to get confused even with roadmarkings as happened to me recently...

     
  19. AnxietyRanger

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    Frankly, at least when it comes to AP2, the problem is clearly both: both its abilities, but also of course the driver's responsibility.

    AP1, for a while at least, was closer to the latter problem only.

    The guy in this story may have been on AP1, I'm not sure?
     
  20. Snerruc

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    Over the last few months Autopilot 1 has been absolutely reliable for me if you accept it's published limitations. I consider it a finished product not a beta product at this point. This is in spite of not having a single road that doesn't have grade crossings. HW2 is trying to hit a moving target.
     
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