Battery Range - 3 years in.

[Vgsllc1]

my 2013 p85 100% = 271 miles not sure if that is good or not but certainly better than nissan leaf

 

[mknox]

My 2012 version "A" 85 kW pack was 242 at 90%, now 222 with about 52,000 miles on the pack. Model S Signature P85.

Original 100% charge was 265. Last time about 6 months ago was 250.

Lots of threads on this already, but here goes with my numbers:

Feb 2013 build S85 with A-pack. When new, 240 Rated @ 90% and 265 rated at 100 %. Today, almost 3 years and 65,000 miles it's 220 Rated @ 90% and 246 Rated at 100%.

 

[msnow]

Very likely your battery had a hard reset performed that reset the range numbers.

Service does this to the loaner fleet to keep range numbers up.

My SvC claims no knowledge of a "hard reset" capability. Are you sure about this and if so how do you know?

 

[apacheguy]

my 2013 p85 100% = 271 miles not sure if that is good or not but certainly better than nissan leaf

And something is absolutely screwed up with your range algo. The miles over 265 are lost very rapidly testing by wk057 suggests they are merely an artifact of the calibration before the BMS settles.

 

[aviators99]

Don't forget, when you record range, it makes a difference whether the car is in ECO mode or not. It reads about 3 miles higher in ECO mode. So it's important to specify mode when you report readings.

 

[FredTMC]

On a 100% charge, I get about 250-255 miles depending on the day. 105k miles and counting...

Nice! Need to find a thread for the 100,000 mile club. I'm not there yet...

 

[FlasherZ]

I'm a little surprised to be honest. For 3 years and 30k miles that's exceptionally good. Almost too good to be true. I have kept close records of my battery and could clearly see a gradual drop in range over time/use. My lifetime usage is very close to yours (320 Wh/m). I have twice as many miles, but my car is only half as old. It shows that time alone isn't much of a factor, but mostly use (cycles). My loss is aprox 6-7%.

There are some cars that are getting very, very good numbers (mine is an example, see Displayed Range and Seasonality for more information). And there are some that are seeing more degradation than I would expect.

In fact, if you look at my first graph there, my original 85 kWh, single-motor rev-"A" pack with 19,000 miles had been down to 224 miles or so at 90% by Feb, 2014, when the contactors failed. At the end of February, a refurbished "D" pack (again 85 kWh, single motor) was installed. Since then - 48,000 miles and nearly 2 years later - the car still charges to 238/239 miles in the summer at 90%.

Linear regression calculates that the car is losing 1.5 miles per year using the data (over 10,000 data points from nearly 2 years).

(There is some apparent temperature affect on the rated range that's displayed, see that thread.)

It is possible, if you collect the data from the API, to get the car's rated range value to hundredths of a mile, so in theory you could measure it to sub-percent levels.

 

[NuclearPowered]

my 2013 p85 100% = 271 miles not sure if that is good or not but certainly better than nissan leaf

You must have some kind of magic battery to get 271 RM after 3 yrs.

 

[napabill]

that's great, though I have no idea how you can calculate to the 0.01% mark given the non-specificity of the range meter. That's surprisingly good, most of the rest of us at 3 years are seeing much more range loss than that. I started at 242 miles 90% and am now seeing around 225 miles for the 90%--albeit there have been a number of firmware updates that factor into the rated range as well.

My 3 year old baby is almost exactly the same as yours, about 225 miles at 90%.

 

[SeminoleFSU]

Consider yourself lucky.. I'm getting like 221-222 on 90% and 249-250 on 100% charges... 2013 model P85 with 41k miles

 

[scaesare]

My 3 year old baby is almost exactly the same as yours, about 225 miles at 90%.

I'm right about there as well... actually I typically only see about 222-223 @ 90%, but I only do that on weekends, it's 70% typically during the week, and I rarely get it below 30% on daily basis.

If I have additional travel going on and I charge to 90% several days in a row, and/or discharge the pack further on the bottom end, the range creeps back up to about 225.

This is on my ~2.5 yr old S85 with 61K on the clock.

 

[evp]

After 14 months and 42,000 miles, I'm down to 231 miles at 90% and 256 at 100% charge. That's about 3.4% range loss.

 

[efusco]

Did you guys happen to remember what your 100% charge was?

My original (early 2012 release) was 272, now 251

 

[FlasherZ]

Did you guys happen to remember what your 100% charge was?

On my first "A" battery, I don't recall the car ever showing above 265 (but keep in mind that was in 3.x days, the algorithm is far far different now). This particular "D" battery's maximum was 268.47 miles on March 16, 2014.

My battery reached a range of 267.80 miles on May 17, 2015, the peak of the season this year.

 

[thegruf]

should I be concerned?
My 90% on a new December 2105 85D is 227 miles.

I was expecting considerably more.
Temps around here 10-15C/50-60F so not particularly hot or cold.

It will become a particular issue for me if the range drops significantly from now on.

 

[InsaneDriver]

He stated a daily charge of 90%

yes, now that i read it again it's right there. I'm blaming my commute in my ICE on it

 

[NuclearPowered]

My SvC claims no knowledge of a "hard reset" capability. Are you sure about this and if so how do you know?

I have heard 2nd hand from other owners in AZ who have been told by service center that the reset can be done but only in special cases

 

[Cyclone]

Not bad for a 2013. 90% is 240 miles.

 

[tinm]

I'm wondering if cars in colder climates have more degradation over time.

I'm at 36600 miles (2.4 year old car) and my 90% is 232 and 100% is 258.

 

[gaswalla]

Tinm, it's probably related to your charging habits. Do you charge to 90% daily and occasionally 100%? That's seems to be the optimal battery balancing regimen. (But I just opened a can of worms)