Car & Driver: The Mach E is simply better than the Model Y

[RobDickinson]

Ford Was Caught Off Guard by Mustang Mach-E GT’s Popularity

CEO Jim Farley says Ford didn't properly anticipate the interest in the 480-hp Mach-E GT, which led to production headaches.

www.thedrive.com

"We didn’t have the right spec levels, the GT was much more popular than we thought,"

"We couldn’t react. It was like, the marketing team could, but the industrial system that creates the physical product, and the software team—they didn’t like, get the memo of this demand."

So Jim just rolled with it, released an undeveloped car that didnt meet the marketing spec because demand for a fast suv was surprising.

Who put that idiot in charge of a car company?

 

[EVer Hopeful]

the same people who ran the pre-development focus groups maybe?

 

[Brando]

Henry asked people what they wanted: faster horse that ate less and sh*t less too. I think the first focus group, right?

 

[john5520]

I had this 'crazy' theory that Ford makes the Mach-E to discredit the EVs. It looks less crazy every day I read the Mach-E forum.

Luckily, they are far from the only player in town and are only shooting themselves in the foot with their first time customers. They're trying to use the same tired formula on their EVs: hype it, draw in the crowd, then half-ass it. It worked for years on the Ford faithful, but EVs are a different beast. They're expensive and the overall experience depend heavily on the quality of the software and hardware design. So even the Ford faithful are coming in with higher expectations especially when they're being compared to the competition.

I just read Ford hired away Doug Field (who worked for Tesla and Apple) and are talking about investing 29 billion in EVs and AVs. So, on paper, they are serious. I guess it is an acknowledgement that their current software and design are pretty much crap which is a good first step.

 

[john5520]

So Jim just rolled with it, released an undeveloped car that didnt meet the marketing spec because demand for a fast suv was surprising.

Who put that idiot in charge of a car company?

And on top of that, trolling the top of the food chain. If you're going to come at Tesla, bring your best.

 

[RobDickinson]

I think this was their best...

 

[mark95476]

Doug Field is back at Ford.

 

[Brando]

SAFETY
Anyone care to compare crash test results. Mach E vs Model Y

 

[alexgr]

So Jim just rolled with it, released an undeveloped car that didnt meet the marketing spec because demand for a fast suv was surprising.

Who put that idiot in charge of a car company?

No, this is a PR move to promote their GT turd.

 

[chinney]

[...]

I just read Ford hired away Doug Field (who worked for Tesla and Apple) and are talking about investing 29 billion in EVs and AVs. So, on paper, they are serious. I guess it is an acknowledgement that their current software and design are pretty much crap which is a good first step.

My impression is that Ford is serious about EVs. I think that the problem instead is that their basic EV technology is still at least a couple of steps behind Tesla's. The Mach E looks like it was a rushed job - to put a credible electric vehicle in their actual current sales line-up - and the problems are starting to show. Presumably they will learn something and iron out some of the problems with the upcoming electric F150.

 

[EVer Hopeful]

It just bothers me that they (and other manufacturers) spent so much effort and money fighting the improvement in CAFE standards, mostly because they were making so much money selling huge dead-dinosaur guzzling monsters. Let's be honest: If they had had their way, there would be no EVs. Period. Now, even though they're late to the party they're trying to rewrite history and make it look like they're the reason EVs exist.

I don't want to have an irrational allegiance to one particular brand, but I wont forget history either

 

[bmiddaugh]

"Ford wins because they advertise big with us and basically pay our salaries."
Supercharger network.
A decade ahead of everyone else.
I can actually tweet at the freakin' owner of the company.
Their own ex engineers tell them, "drive a tesla and learn how it's supposed to be done."

 

[db93]

Both EV's are fantastic
Hurst Communications (owners of C&D),
This article, and many like it, are coincidentally going to favor it's paying clients

 

[john5520]

Now, even though they're late to the party they're trying to rewrite history and make it look like they're the reason EVs exist.

And they act like they're more American than Tesla when they've outsourced parts and labor for as far back as I can remember. They are just envious of and feel threatened by Tesla's success. And I agree, we would not have this big push for EVs this soon had it not been for Elon.

"Ford wins because they advertise big with us and basically pay our salaries."
Supercharger network.
A decade ahead of everyone else.
I can actually tweet at the freakin' owner of the company.
Their own ex engineers tell them, "drive a tesla and learn how it's supposed to be done."

Read the comments by the Ford faithful on any of their forums and you'll see why they are and will continue to remain a mediocre brand despite the popularity of some of their vehicles.

 

[alexgr]

we would not have this big push for EVs this soon had it not been for Elon.

and Europe, probably.

Read the comments by the Ford faithful on any of their forums and you'll see why they are and will continue to remain a mediocre brand despite the popularity of some of their vehicles.

Tesla fans are ready to accept challenges when Ford/GM fans are happy to accept failure.

 

[alexgr]

Mach-E GT is officially a turd, and Ford embargoes the reviews.
It is slower than the non-GT Mach-E to 1/4 mile, barely making it to 100 mph. This seems to be now reported by several owners.
Nevertheless, according to Ford the popularity of the Mach-E GT is through the roof. Am I missing something?
On the fans forum you can read all kinds of excuses. That's a revealing enjoyable read.

More Mach-E GT 1/4 mile track results

I'm X233, base GT with 72% charge. I didn't do any prep, no air pressure changes, no cooling, nothing. I drove 45 miles to the track, went through tech and straight onto the dragstrip. 1st run was against a Hellcat Challenger. I left him at the light looking silly but he caught me and...

www.macheforum.com

 

[john5520]

The excuses for the poor performance are an entertaining read for sure. I can't wait to see them lined up at a track with an MY-P. Even the MY LR (without boost) might take a GT in the quarter. I'd be very surprised if Ford does anything to improve their times, especially if it's a limitation with the battery or motors.

 

[thesmokingman]

Pay more get less?

 

[alexgr]

The excuses for the poor performance are an entertaining read for sure. I can't wait to see them lined up at a track with an MY-P. Even the MY LR (without boost) might take a GT in the quarter. I'd be very surprised if Ford does anything to improve their times, especially if it's a limitation with the battery or motors.

Ford calls their fastest EV a Mustang even though it gives it a CUV form factor. My guess is that this was done because they couldn't fit the battery under a coupe or sedan, and maybe because they generally discontinue sedans. Considering this, why should we compare the fastest Ford EV to the slowest Tesla Model? It would make sense to compare it to the fastest model in the same price range, which is the Model 3 Performance. ... just an opinion.

 

[RobDickinson]

Their paint falls off
You cant open or close the doors
The gear selector doesnt work
The screens make a noise
The fans go crazy when charging
The windows break
PAAK is a disaster
Drive it down a hill you'll need a tow to a dealer
Different screens show different directions at the same time
The car has a random chance of just not working at all and needing a tow
Parts are not available for any repairs
The GT/PE can barely manage 100mph on a 1/4

I could go on but its these fools who dont want a model Y 'because of the build quality'