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Chevy Bolt - 200 mile range for $30k base price (after incentive)
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Nope! We live in Arizona. There has never been inventory here yet. He had to buy a black car because their was no other choice. Chevy from the start has seemingly not rolled this car out very well across the country. They appear to have throttled the numbers from the very beginning.
Um... There was a movie produced called "Who killed the electric car?". I don't think that GM wants to be portrayed in that light again... So, they tell the world that they have changed and are producing these cars for more than just compliance. But... it appears that this (so far) is what they only really care about.
Merrill
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I’m glad to see any car manufacturer do a BEV, I think if the head of any car company is not to old they will realize that this is the future and is not just a compliance car. Personally so far none of the manufactures has a car that I would buy over the Tesla, they are all ugly. Maybe the Ipace Jaguar next year.
If lack of planned production is the argument you are making, then the Model 3 surely is the most compliant car of them all.
You must crack you up.
Because.. uh you know... trying to ramp that car 2 years early and encountering not-unexpected publicly acknowleged challenges is the exact same thing.
Good reasoning.
stopcrazypp
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The thing is under no definition of compliance car (even if you use the strictest version where even the Leaf qualifies as a compliance car) can the Model 3 (or any other Tesla) be considered a compliance car. This is because given Tesla makes no ICE vehicles there is no quota Tesla has to meet for "compliance".
dhrivnak
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If I recall the Bolt had a slow roll out. Not nearly as slow as the Model 3 but they still had a ramp. I for one give GM some credit here of First to market an affordable long range EV. But that was 2017. For 2018 I will be betting on Tesla.
I actually am pro the idea of other manufacturers introducing EV's and have been an advocate for the Bolt for some time. Feel free to look at my post history regarding the Bolt for the last few years.
The issue I have is with the possibility that GM may be playing compliance car games rather than giving it an opportunity to make a real difference by aggressively marketing it and driving volume.
igotzzoom
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The issue I have with it, is why did they have to make it so homely? If the styling weren't so frumpy, I'd probably be driving one now.
Yeah the styling isn't my cup of tea either. But I do acknowledge that there's a whole market of folks who find the hatch design and styling of vehicles like the Qube, Versa, Fit, Scion Hatch (can't think of the name), etc... worthy of purchase.
There's lots of room in the EV market for segmentation. I just wish GM was trying to sell 10x of these as they seem to be. As I said a coupe of years ago: I wish these things went like hotcakes and GM was so pleasantly surprised they had no choice but to take the market more seriously.
Well, the Buick Bolt is coming. And the other upcoming GM BEV CUV is a Caddy Bolt of some kind. Those will surely have different styling.
And no doubt "on time" too, whatever production dates are eventually given.
igotzzoom
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I'll tell you what I'd LOVE to see as an EV is the Regal Sportback. That is a very handsome and practical car (Liftback! Hello, Elon!) If that were offered as a 200+ mile EV today, I'd probably ask for my $1,000 back and go buy one today.
WannabeOwner
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Would making 10x as many put GM in pole-position when they bring out their Next Gen BEV?
Or can they achieve that anyway with the volume they are producing?
If the later, and given that apart from Tesla they have no long range BEV competition, perhaps they intended to have minimal risk at this point, and a high-volume killer-nextgen in the pipeline?
Whenever I ponder these things, other than Tesla, the question that pops into my head is "Where are all the BEV car makers going to get the batteries from?" when they ramp up to much higher numbers of cars
Exactly what I've been saying for a couple of years. Ultimately the BEV market is battery limited and production has to ramp up 100X the GigaFactory to replace all ICE production.
Another thing is GM relied heavily on LG to make the Bolt and they might find out it's a relationship like Microsoft and IBM back in the day. I strongly suspect LG is looking to jump into the BEV market themselves and they are using GM to learn how to make cars. They have more experience making machinery than any other battery maker (they make large appliances). They could take all their battery production in house and produce LG BEVs instead of just batteries and companies like GM will just be screwed.
Contractually they may need to supply a certain number of batteries to car makers, but those contracts are for low volume production cars. GM would be stuck only able to make 30-50K BEVs a year while LG is cranking out a few hundred K.
Tesla saw how important batteries were and they made sure they can control their own production. If Panasonic wanted to break off the partnership, Tesla owns the factory. It would disrupt things for a short while, but Tesla could either partner with someone else or just go into production themselves and Panasonic knows it.
RobStark
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If Panasonic leaves the Reno (Sparks) location they can't simply take their newly trained American workers back to Japan. Or even to a new American facility in the Midwest or South to serve legacy automakers.
I am sure the vast majority would take a Tesla offer of employment.
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