JRP3
Hyperactive Member
He doesn't take covid seriously at all, but that doesn't mean he's "safe". Healthy kids have died from it. He's at higher risk.
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AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Yeah he is not fit, but on balance he probably comes in around the average for that age group. Which is right around 0.1% IFR for that age (maybe as high as 0.3%). Extremely high!!!
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Exactly.
In a subsequent tweet overnight, Elon allows that he been symptomatic “for several days” but no longer has symptoms.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1327210365713743872?s=21
Viral loads typically peak a day or so before symptoms and then ramp down during the following week of symptoms. If Elon has just been tested after the tail end of 5-7 days of mild symptoms it would make total sense for a rapid test to be just barely able to detect the presence of virus.
In fact, at this point Elon might not be infectious any longer although he should still be isolated for a few more days.
According to Electrek, he spent the last week while he presumably was infectious, in Austin Monday through Wednesday, then in Los Angeles, and is now in the Bay Area.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk tests positive and negative for COVID-19, casts doubts on seriousness of pandemic - Electrek
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Elon: Sweden has controlled the virus without lockdown.
Elon: Gets Covid while in Sweden.
For what it’s worth, here’s an update on the virus in Sweden... it’s joining Europe’s new winter infection wave at full throttle:
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Meanwhile in Australia:
And zero of those were locally acquired cases.
I blame The NY Times headline writer for this and the people who don't read the article. I see this posted all the time as evidence that PCR tests we're using have false positives (they really don't).
Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.
Besides which, the positivity rate is going up everywhere in the US! Are the tests getting worse? This false positive theory makes no sense.
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dhanson865
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0eebcc-2539-11eb-8672-c281c7a2c96e_story.html
"More than 130 Secret Service officers who help protect the White House and the president when he travels have recently been ordered to isolate or quarantine because they tested positive for the coronavirus or had close contact with infected co-workers, according to three people familiar with agency staffing.
The spread of the coronavirus — which has sidelined roughly 10 percent of the agency’s core security team — is believed to be partly linked to a series of campaign rallies that President Trump held in the weeks before the Nov. 3 election, according to the people, who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the situation.
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The agency is also examining whether some portion of the current infections are not travel-related, one government official said, but instead trace back to the site where many Secret Service officers report for duty each day: the White House.
White House staff largely eschew wearing masks, despite public health guidelines that they help contain the spread of the virus, and some Secret Service officers on duty at the complex have also been seen without them.
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Earlier this week, agency supervisors told other staff about the large number of officers who have contracted the virus and said there has been expanded testing to help limit the spread, according to the people familiar with the situation.
The number of officers who have been pulled off duty creates a major stress on an already overworked team and will force many officers to forgo days off and work longer hours to compensate for absent co-workers. A 2015 blue-ribbon panel identified overworked Secret Service officers as one key factor that contributed to security breaches at the White House."
"More than 130 Secret Service officers who help protect the White House and the president when he travels have recently been ordered to isolate or quarantine because they tested positive for the coronavirus or had close contact with infected co-workers, according to three people familiar with agency staffing.
The spread of the coronavirus — which has sidelined roughly 10 percent of the agency’s core security team — is believed to be partly linked to a series of campaign rallies that President Trump held in the weeks before the Nov. 3 election, according to the people, who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the situation.
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The agency is also examining whether some portion of the current infections are not travel-related, one government official said, but instead trace back to the site where many Secret Service officers report for duty each day: the White House.
White House staff largely eschew wearing masks, despite public health guidelines that they help contain the spread of the virus, and some Secret Service officers on duty at the complex have also been seen without them.
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Earlier this week, agency supervisors told other staff about the large number of officers who have contracted the virus and said there has been expanded testing to help limit the spread, according to the people familiar with the situation.
The number of officers who have been pulled off duty creates a major stress on an already overworked team and will force many officers to forgo days off and work longer hours to compensate for absent co-workers. A 2015 blue-ribbon panel identified overworked Secret Service officers as one key factor that contributed to security breaches at the White House."
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
not directly related to covid but we have discussed Vit D a lot here and indirectly it does affect covid rates.
Vitamin D Supplementation Improves Cognitive Function Through Reducing Oxidative Stress Regulated by Telomere Length in Older Adults with Mild Cognitive Impairment: A 12-Month Randomized Controlled Trial - PubMed
Results: Repeated-measures ANOVA showed substantial improvements in the full scale intelligence quotient (FSIQ), information, digit span, vocabulary, block design, and picture arrangement scores in the vitamin D group over the placebo group (p < 0.001). Leukocyte TL was significantly higher, while serum 8-OXO-dG, OGG1mRNA, and P16INK4amRNA revealed greater decreases in the vitamin D group over the placebo group (p < 0.001). According to mixed-model repeated-measures ANOVA analysis, vitamin D group showed a significant enhancement in the FSIQ score for 12 months compared with the control (estimate value = 5.132, p < 0.001).
Conclusion: Vitamin D supplementation for 12 months appears to improve cognitive function through reducing oxidative stress regulated by increased TL in order adults with MCI. Vitamin D may be a promising public health strategy to prevent cognitive decline.
Vitamin D Supplementation Improves Cognitive Function Through Reducing Oxidative Stress Regulated by Telomere Length in Older Adults with Mild Cognitive Impairment: A 12-Month Randomized Controlled Trial - PubMed
Results: Repeated-measures ANOVA showed substantial improvements in the full scale intelligence quotient (FSIQ), information, digit span, vocabulary, block design, and picture arrangement scores in the vitamin D group over the placebo group (p < 0.001). Leukocyte TL was significantly higher, while serum 8-OXO-dG, OGG1mRNA, and P16INK4amRNA revealed greater decreases in the vitamin D group over the placebo group (p < 0.001). According to mixed-model repeated-measures ANOVA analysis, vitamin D group showed a significant enhancement in the FSIQ score for 12 months compared with the control (estimate value = 5.132, p < 0.001).
Conclusion: Vitamin D supplementation for 12 months appears to improve cognitive function through reducing oxidative stress regulated by increased TL in order adults with MCI. Vitamin D may be a promising public health strategy to prevent cognitive decline.
I found this somewhat lengthy article from this morning from NBC News interesting. Ongoing research based on gene mutations on the X chromosome. Looking to see if it might explain why males have a higher percentage of serious cases that become fatal.
'Breakthrough finding' reveals why Covid-19 kills certain patients, especially men
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“In an international study in Science, 10 percent of nearly 1,000 Covid-19 patients who developed life-threatening pneumonia had antibodies that disable key immune system proteins called interferons. These antibodies — known as autoantibodies, because they attack the body itself — weren't found at all in 663 people with mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 infections. Only four of 1,227 healthy patients had the autoantibodies. The study was led by the Covid Human Genetic Effort, which includes 200 research centers in 40 countries.
"This is one of the most important things we've learned about the immune system since the start of the pandemic," said Dr. Eric Topol, executive vice president for research at Scripps Research in San Diego, who wasn't involved in the new study. "This is a breakthrough finding."”
BTW the article states that long haulers represent more females than males.
“Studies show that women are four times more likely to experience long-term Covid-19 symptoms, lasting weeks or months, including fatigue, weakness and a kind of mental confusion known as "brain fog," Klein said.”
'Breakthrough finding' reveals why Covid-19 kills certain patients, especially men
Quote from:
“In an international study in Science, 10 percent of nearly 1,000 Covid-19 patients who developed life-threatening pneumonia had antibodies that disable key immune system proteins called interferons. These antibodies — known as autoantibodies, because they attack the body itself — weren't found at all in 663 people with mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 infections. Only four of 1,227 healthy patients had the autoantibodies. The study was led by the Covid Human Genetic Effort, which includes 200 research centers in 40 countries.
"This is one of the most important things we've learned about the immune system since the start of the pandemic," said Dr. Eric Topol, executive vice president for research at Scripps Research in San Diego, who wasn't involved in the new study. "This is a breakthrough finding."”
BTW the article states that long haulers represent more females than males.
“Studies show that women are four times more likely to experience long-term Covid-19 symptoms, lasting weeks or months, including fatigue, weakness and a kind of mental confusion known as "brain fog," Klein said.”
Elon's positive tests turning into "front page" (or "clickbait") news stories...
Elon Musk gets conflicting coronavirus tests after downplaying pandemic
Elon Musk gets conflicting coronavirus tests after downplaying pandemic
Norbert
TSLA will win
He deserves credit for the question mark at the end of the sentence, though...
Norbert
TSLA will win
For anyone who still had doubt or hesitance about an upcoming change in Covid policies, Arizona and Georgia are now attributed to Biden as well. Prepare for lively debates.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
The top response seems to be someone claiming high numbers of false positives and linking to a paper.
Of course what the paper actually says is that people can test positive on PCR tests after an infection with SARS-CoV-2 even when they no longer harbor viable virus. This is not disputed but people use it to make claims about the number of cases being fake.
So in a population with no COVID the false positive rate is zero. In a population where everyone got COVID a month ago a significant percentage of tests will come up positive even though that population is no longer infectious. Not sure how any of this is relevant the current situation...
Anyway, if Elon's PCR tests come back positive that means he either has or has recently had COVID. It does not prove whether or not he is currently infectious. It sounds like he really want to go to the launch this weekend! This is why I've become a bit of a testing skeptic. How much does testing positive for COVID actually change people's behavior? Do they just spread it anyway? Is any change in behavior offset by false negatives? Obviously this is all dependent on culture. I've become very cynical.
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Norbert
TSLA will win
Also, shouldn't the possibility of a false _negative_ be the first concern?
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Of course that's the reason that they make the tests so sensitive. I assume that there is huge variation from swab to swab due to technique and whether or not they pick up a large chunk of mucus.
There's an argument that we should have a huge number of fast antigen tests that are much less sensitive, the issue with them is that they do have true false positives.
The problem is if you require people to quarantine until they are PCR negative they could potentially be quarantined for a month unnecessarily. People are selfish and won't do it without draconian enforcement. It is what it is.
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