On a tangent: What if I need to decontaminate an outer wrapper and sanitizer is in short supply, would ordinary washer fluid do the trick? Our kind contains alcohol in some form, but unclear in what concentration. It will be produced to taste horrible, so only use it externally.
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Coronavirus
- Thread starter Wenche
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Tiger
Active Member
Could this be part of the cure?
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deonb
Active Member
How do you get to 0.5 million deaths? Do a 90% worldwide lockdown? What's the value of that? For the little incremental cost you can get below 50k deaths.
Seems to me the choices are either full lockdown and 50'000 deaths, or no lockdown and 50 million deaths. I've not seen any viable in between plan proposed by anybody yet.
Daniel in SD
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That's great for Sweden but here in the US it's already out of control. We need to get it under control before we can think about reopening schools and non-essential businesses.
Sweden didn't have stricter restrictions at any phase so far. These or more loose instructions have been the government guidelines from the beginning.
In Finland we have much higher restrictions which are flushing the economy down the toilet. And hospital resources dedicated for this are idling, let alone accepting some deaths.
Daniel in SD
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Yes, unfortunately we do not have the technology to go back in time and get it under control. Our government's response has been ineffective and now we're in the situation we're in. There's no need to rub it in.
And yet you will come out of this with less total damage than Finland, which is kinda typical. We can get back to this topic after a couple of months.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
So, let's just go with that with 212k deaths in the US, assuming a death rate of 1% (might be optimistic with hospital loading given we'd get those in the course of a few weeks!), how would you plan to limit the infections to 21 million people (let's call it 42 million to account for 50% of the people not showing any symptoms and not being counted? That's 13% of the US population? How do we limit it to that? It sounds like you might really be on to an idea here, as that would seem like a pretty decent solution. Just have to keep it limited to 5% - you just have to let us all in on your plan!
Do explain. This may be actionable and we can roll it out to the world.
I have these 99% IPA wipes in packets that would work well for surface wiping. Flamable so use with caution.
Isopropyl Alcohol (IPA) Wipes - 99.8%
I just told you. Do it like Sweden; doing some sensible actions and accepting some level of casualties without nuking their own economy. Although they will get their share from the surrounding fallout.
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Daniel in SD
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What are we not doing that Sweden is doing?
I don't think you're understanding that it still appears to be spreading exponentially here.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Do check back in a couple weeks. I hope Sweden is doing hundreds of thousands of tests a week.
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deonb
Active Member
For starters, we're not using Swedes...
Only a little bit kidding. In the US, even if you tell someone they will absolutely 100% for sure be responsible for murdering someone, they still won't follow rules unless those rules come at the end of a gun.
We talk about an Italian culture "furbizia". The U.S is even worse - we just have better policing here. When rules are followed in the US it is only because they come with the threat of deadly force. Without that, nobody would follow them. There is absolutely zero culture of "social responsibility" here.
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To give some examples, Finland has closed down all public spaces such as libraries, gyms and all schools and forbidden gatherings of more than 10 people. All non-emergency cases to doctors have been cancelled. Dentists are only allowed to operate on urgent patients. Movement of seniors outside of their homes is discouraged. And so on. This has killed normal life and instilled even more fear in people, resulting in secondary effects that are going to bankrupt restaurants and other small businesses. We are even contemplating limiting movement inside Finland.
For comparison, Sweden limits public gatherings to 500 people. Public places remain open. Elementary schools and day care centers are allowed to operate, apparently high schools and universities are also allowed to operate but remote teaching is encouraged. Seniors are encouraged to move outside but to try to keep 1 meter distance to other people.
There has been one confirmed death due to coronavirus in Finland. Sweden will be over with this by the time we will continue destroying our economy in the subsequent waves. For what?
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Daniel in SD
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We are already doing everything you say Sweden is doing plus all the the more restrictive things that Finland is doing. I don't see how doing less will get the spread under control. The deaths are going up exponentially here! Are you saying it's under control in the US like it is in Sweden but we just have to wait a few weeks to see it? At this point I think we should wait a few weeks to be sure...
You got me, I give up
Please do nuke your economy to the fullest extent possible.Similar threads
