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I would like to discuss cost of recharging a Model 3.

I read on another thread that it needs 89kw to recharge fully a LR Model 3.

I live in San Francisco and subscribed to CleanPowerSF to get 100% renewable energy. Last month my electricity bill was $25.70 for 115kwh used in one month:
  • $15.05 for P&G Delivery Charge
  • $10.65 for CleanPowerSF Generation charge.

:)

If you switch to EV-A rate and charge overnight it's around $0.125
 
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People are amazed when I tell them my home consumes about 200 kWh a month excluding cars. They are too lazy to do the most basic learning like you have.

Depends on your appetite for air conditioning and how many gas vs. electric appliances you have.

If you have a family and use air conditioning, electric dryer, electric stove, it is extremely difficult to use less than a few hundred kWh a month.
How much is a 4 years of standard maintenance on a car that cost $35k+ like a BMV, Audit, Mercedes, etc?

BMW includes maintenance for 4 years in the cost of the vehicle.

Audi Care costs about $800 for 50K miles of regular scheduled maintenance.

I don't know what Mercedes costs, but it's in this ballpark.

ICE cars, even fancy european ones, are not crazy expensive to maintain for the first few years. The real heavy hitting costs come in down the line when the cars need major maintenance items addressed like timing belts, water pumps, seals, etc... stuff that, even on a 3 series BMW can push into a couple thousand bucks.

As I said originally, the "real" maintenance cost savings on an electric car come in during this period of time, say 8-12 years of ownership... far past when most of us keep our vehicles. It also doesn't factor in what happens if you need a new $15,000 battery for your electric... that will wipe out any savings from maintenance for the entire time you've owned the car compared to an ICE vehicle.
 
Hehe, I'll take the cold over the heat any day ;) You can deal with cold by adding more layers. Can't take off your skin ;)

The primary problem with the cold is the limited access to outdoor activities for those who live in more urban areas. When the weather is nice you can always bike/run... when the weather is cold you can't always easily dog-sled or ski.

Whether you "pre pay" for maintenance, or purchase a vehicle with "free" maintenance (I can assure you its bundled in the price of the car), you will stay pay to "maintain" your car. My point was that with less moving parts/fluids, costs "should" be lower. I hope that is the case.

If the battery does not need to be replaced than over a long period of time there's no question the ICE car will cost more for up-keep.

However, some of that gets eaten away if you are paying Tesla $500 or whatever a year for a "check up" that it may or may not need.

If you kept the Tesla for 10 years at $500 a year for "routine" maintenance, you would spend $5K on that stuff over 10 years, which is probably similar to what the 10 year, 100K cost on an ICE car is.

The only way you are going to spend less on the Tesla is to skip their "recommended" maintenance or somehow do it for less... and that's also assuming the battery does not eventually need replacement. The batteries are designed for 12-15 years of life but you might not want the car after 12 years when it's only getting 85% of the range it got when new.
 
The primary problem with the cold is the limited access to outdoor activities for those who live in more urban areas. When the weather is nice you can always bike/run...

Bike / run in Houston during the summer?

Apparently David Icke was right ;) Because that's the only explanation for the concept of "humans" exercising in that weather. ;)

However, some of that gets eaten away if you are paying Tesla $500 or whatever a year for a "check up" that it may or may not need.

Yeah, if you look at their service items list, most of it is pretty basic stuff (e.g. swap batteries on the keyfob, etc) and one is weird (drive unit fluid service on the first year... then nothing after that). There's one I can see that requires specialist knowledge (the battery pack fluid swap), and the multipoint inspection includes some things that a non-Tesla mechanic wouldn't know to look for (the main one you get on the Model S is faulty louvers, it seems... although you can check them yourself if you know where to look, and you should suspect them if supercharging is slow). But most of the stuff is stuff any mechanic could inspect and deal with.

Unless I have symptoms or a recall, I'm not going to do the Tesla annual inspections - just my legally required local inspections. I'll bring it in for the coolant swap on the fourth year (if that's what they recommend for the M3) and do a multi-point inspection then (the battery is the one thing I wouldn't "cut corners" with). But not annually? Unless I'm getting warnings / noise / performance issues / etc, it seems excessive. Besides, it doesn't void the warranty if you skip it.
 
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huh.... i guess i assumed all Cali utilities offered TOU

They do (well, the utility in question, So Cal Edison) definitely does.. soon to be mandatory. But after talking to quite a few people about their electricity bills.. they might as well be in a foreign language. Most people dont understand them, much less try to figure out if there are cheaper plans available to them.
 
How much will it cost to charge the model 3?

Its going to vary based on where you live.

If you live in an area where it costs $0.10/kWh / a dime per kWh ( look at your electric bill ) then it would cost you one dime to charge your car with 1kWh of juice.

If it takes 50kWh to charge your car then you will pay 5 dollars . ( 50kW X .1 )

If you own a Tesla Model 3 and its battery holds 50KW and you run it all the way down.....it will cost you 5 dollars to fill it up.

If you own a Tesla Model 3 and its battery holds 50KW and you can travel 210 miles.... it will cost you 2.3 pennies a mile to drive it at $0.10/kWh

If you own a Tesla Model 3 and its battery holds 75KW and you can travel 320 miles....it will cost you 2.3 pennies a mile to drive it at $0.10/kWh also.

It all depends on where you live.
 
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28°C is "quite nice"? That's literally the all-time heat record for Reykjavík ;) People here pass out in weather like that ;)

Considering we had a high of 102F (39C) on July 29th, yes, it's quite nice. You become acclimatized to it, colloquially known as "your blood has thinned out". We moved to Corpus Christi, 208 miles (335 km) south of Houston, the summer of 1982(and we were miserable). That winter we were all in shorts, as we were used to winters in northern Illinois, while everybody else was wearing winter jackets. We thought they were crazy (and they likewise) - the following winter we were in jackets like everybody else.
 
Here in South Jersey, it is about $0.18 per kWh for I believe natural gas and nuclear mix. Also about $2.80 gallon of premium gas.
Using your formula just my local prices..
89kWh x $0.18 = $16.02 for 310 miles = 0.051 per mile = $413.42 per year (@8k miles per year)
12g x $2.80 = $36.60 for 350 miles = 0.105 per mile = $836.57 per year (@8k miles per year)

$423.15 savings pretty close to you.

If I do 12k miles per year
Tesla - $620.13
ICE - $1254.86

Savings - $634.73

Just to give a bit of perspective here are my calculations for the province of Quebec where electricity is cheap and gas expensive. We have the following (prices in CAN$),

89kWh x $0.0892 = $7.94 for 310 miles = 0.026 per mile = $204.87 per year (@8k miles per year)
12g x $4.54 = $54.48 for 350 miles = 0.156 per mile = $1245.25 per year (@8k miles per year)

The gas option is 6 times more expensive here than electricity.

These figures easily match my experience switching from a gas vehicle to my current Volt (and waiting for my model 3!). In fact I would say the difference is even greater because I tend to have a heavy foot and as others have reported the penalty is usually greater in town for ICE compared to electric when you have a heavy foot;-).
 
I see a lot of people assuming 100% charging efficiency. This is overly optimistic. To put 1kWh of charge into your battery, you pulled more than 1kWh from the grid. Charging efficiency is somewhere in the 70-90% range. For 80% efficiency, say, to put 1kWh into your battery will require 1.25kWh of electricity.
 
I see a lot of people assuming 100% charging efficiency. This is overly optimistic. To put 1kWh of charge into your battery, you pulled more than 1kWh from the grid. Charging efficiency is somewhere in the 70-90% range. For 80% efficiency, say, to put 1kWh into your battery will require 1.25kWh of electricity.

Who is assuming 100% charge efficiency? When someone says 89 kWh to charge a M3 LR, that's wall to wheels, not pack to wheels. Charge efficiency appears to be 87% according to the EPA docs from which that number comes.
 
It's way below what Tesla advertise on their website and much lower than what I thought I would save by driving electric and with 100% renewable energy.
Let's discuss :)

Tesla needs to get the gas savings off of their ordering page in my opinion. EV rebates make sense but the gas savings makes them look gimmicky at best and deceptive at worst.

If I compare it with my BMW M235i...

There's really no comparison when you consider that in addition to the savings on gas, there's the benefit of no longer going to gas stations, no more oil changes, brakes, time saved alone in the carpool lanes, going for drives on warm summer nights (like the good old days), instant fast and silent torque, one foot driving, and the list goes on and on.
 
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Tesla needs to get the gas savings off of their ordering page in my opinion. EV rebates make sense but the gas savings makes them look gimmicky at best and deceptive at worst.

It'd be nice if it was a separate "calculator" and would let you input the values yourself, with only the defaults chosen from your area. Heck, they might even be able to use such a thing as a clever piece of marketing for their solar systems - for people in areas with lots of sun but expensive power they could show the cost and payback periods for installing solar.
 
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Just to give a bit of perspective here are my calculations for the province of Quebec where electricity is cheap and gas expensive. We have the following (prices in CAN$),

89kWh x $0.0892 = $7.94 for 310 miles = 0.026 per mile = $204.87 per year (@8k miles per year)
12g x $4.54 = $54.48 for 350 miles = 0.156 per mile = $1245.25 per year (@8k miles per year)

The gas option is 6 times more expensive here than electricity.

These figures easily match my experience switching from a gas vehicle to my current Volt (and waiting for my model 3!). In fact I would say the difference is even greater because I tend to have a heavy foot and as others have reported the penalty is usually greater in town for ICE compared to electric when you have a heavy foot;-).

Yea, no brainier for you. My electricity is tiered too so more I use, more it costs. Summer right now, so pool pump and AC making it expensive, I really hope solar shingles come soon!
 
Can someone help and critique my thinking for CA..

50kwh battery with 87% efficiency means 57.5 kWh to charge
$.20 per kWh at SC or at home
57.5 kwh * .20 = $11.5 from 0-100%.

Is 15% loss pretty realistic from 220 miles down to 187 sensible?

If so then 11.5/187 = $0.062 cents per mile. Does this seem accurate for a SR 3?