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CPUC NEM 3.0 discussion
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No disagreement from me. Still not cost effective to go solar, which obviously is the point of NEM3
No, the input from the Public Advocates Office and from the Joint Utilities proposed different rates for the different utilities ($5.76 - $7.66 / kW from the PAO, $10.24 - $14.13 / kW from the JOU), but the proposed Decision calls for $8/kW for all the IOUs. See section 8.5.3 of the proposed Decision.
There is also an "Initial Market Transition Credit" for the first so many years, which does vary by utility, $1.62/kW for normal residential PG&E. See section 8.5.2.
Cheers, Wayne
I think the market transition credit (MTC) is only applied to existing homes that do not currently have solar in select areas. I believe the following categories are excluded from the gradual transition of fees ...
new homes built that have solar
homes currently with NEM 1.0 or 2.0 where their grandfathering expires
any home in the SCE coverage area
As more homeowners go all electric, gas utilities users will still have to pay to maintain their existing network of pipelines, which could mean higher costs for the smaller base of remaining customers; this is very similar to the $/KW proposed charge on Solar customers.
Statewide policies need to be applied more cohesively if California wants to continue to advance its ESG goals. Penalizing Solar customers for a perceived fairness issue will just mean that because of the additional fees, people are either going to pause plans for additional personal investments and eventually people are going to exit the system as storage technology allows.
Statewide policies need to be applied more cohesively if California wants to continue to advance its ESG goals. Penalizing Solar customers for a perceived fairness issue will just mean that because of the additional fees, people are either going to pause plans for additional personal investments and eventually people are going to exit the system as storage technology allows.
Only the CPUC would come up with such a stupidly convoluted tariff.
charlesj
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Yes, but then, when that 10k mi underground insurance should come down as would their operating costs.
Also, let's not forget that 10k mi of construction will be tax deductible, billions.
charlesj
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charlesj
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My latest PG&E gas bill just came in. $216.15 for gas for the period ending Dec 10
. But look at that juicy NEM 2.0 electricity cost.In a few years, this same bill will be like $500 of NG. plus another $200 of NEM 4.20 fixed costs fees.
skepticcyclist
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$200+ for gas? Holy crap. All our appliances are gas (water heater, dryer, oven/range, furnace, fireplace) and our bill is seldom above $80 in the winter and $30 in the summerMy latest PG&E gas bill just came in. $216.15 for gas for the period ending Dec 10
In a few years, this same bill will be like $500 of NG. plus another $200 of NEM 4.20 fixed costs fees.
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Yeah, Like I mentioned earlier, my Natural gas bill in dec and jan runs around $90-100, and i have a NG 6 burner cooktop, gas heating, and a gas dryer, in a 3300SQ house. I still have no clue why (for example) NG would be so much cheaper for us than for people in PGE or SDGE territory, in the same state (for example).
I also have no clue why 40 cents a kWh is "not enough for us to maintain the grid" in CA, while in nevada, 15 cents a kWh is enough. Im not smart enough to understand why that is.
My kitchen and dryer are all electric. Only the furnace and water heater are gas. Wife likes it really warm in the house.
I, and wife, are loving it in our large house 70 degrees! First time in 32 years I am not wearing long underwear in the house during winter. I just got new bill but need to wait for the PDF to see what it cost me
skepticcyclist
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That would not account for that much of a difference. SoCal Gas is about $0.50 per therm total including fees and taxes. And there are no tier charges; same rate all the time. PG&E is 2 to 4 times that
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My November PG&E bill shows that thru 10/31 Tier 1 Gas was $1.88/Therm and Tier 2 was $2.36/Therm. On 11/1 it went up to $2.01/Therm in Tier 1. I didn't have any Tier 2 usage after 11/2, so I don't know what that price was. Apparently the Tier 1 allowance went from 0.49Therm/day to 1.55Therm/day on 11/1.
My total gas charges were ~$50 for 10/20-11/17. December and January are usually significantly higher due to higher central heating load. About 9 months of the year, the majority of my gas bill is for hot water.
Winter weather is hugely different. I lived in both places. I don't think PG&E gas prices are that much more. Let me look it up
Really? I'm on SoCal Gas too and there are two tiers and I pay close to $1.40/therm on the lower tier.
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