This is why I was kicked out of EV-A which had Peak starting at 2pm and pushed to EV2-A which has Peak starting at 4pm. They had to ensure that I had positive net usage during Peak - at least until I got Powerwalls...
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I was told EV2-A (or EV2-B) is now a requirement for those adding storage. There were no other rate plan options for us.
I got EV1-A plan when I moved into house in May 2018. Added solar 2 months later. Added PWs in late 2019 and was able to keep EV1-A
They forced me off due to storage as well. After telling me I would be grandfathered.
RKCRLR
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Perhaps. They don't even give the same story whether or not NEM2 resets when upgrading.
ucmndd
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Will be interested to see how this pans out - I’m on EV-A for another year, but just got two powerwalls. The PTO application had “stay on current plan” selected, but it has yet to be approved…
I got the powerwalls in no small part because of my impending booting from EV-A, but certainly wouldn’t mind keeping it for another year if I can…
Yeah, it's juicy. I was supposed to have it for a number of years and even after promising me on the phone, they still forced me off of it. That one, I get. It doesn't reflect the demand curve very well.
They based EV-A grandfathering on your original solar PTO. My solar is from 2012. When they started the migration, I was promptly kicked out.
ucmndd
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Right, but others are saying they were kicked off for adding storage, despite having time left in their grandfathering period.
Merrill
Merrill
I was on E6 NEM1 and had to get moved to TOUC NEM2 to qualify for my SGIP incentive to add my powerwalls. Original solar installed 2010, not sure what would have happened if I did not ask for the incentive.
A column in the LA Times today:
Skelton: There’s a battle brewing over changes to California solar incentives. Newsom is in the middle
Skelton: There’s a battle brewing over changes to California solar incentives. Newsom is in the middle
I would be very interested if they pointed to any tariff document that requires this change, especially since it isn't possible for solar ESS to be charged from the grid (non-solar SGIP ESS is obviously always charged from the grid). When my solar + two Powerwalls received PTO in November 2020, I went from E-1 to E-TOU-C. There was no SGIP rebate involved as allocation was used up at the time (or Telsa wouldn't submit it).
Is EVA actually better for non-Powerwall homes than EV2A? Like EVA has summer peak that is $0.60 per kWh. Crazy for people who cannot TOU shift with ESS.
If you have solar, probably yes. TOU timing is much more amenable for backfeed resale since it starts 2 hours earlier than EV2A, with part peak even earlier. It also ends sooner (9pm vs midnight IIRC).
ucmndd
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Much better for the reasons @ohmman mentions, if you have solar. Peak starting at 2pm means I'm selling at $0.60/kwh, not buying. Also, all the morning solar generation is credited at mid-peak rates instead of off-peak. EV-A really is "too good to be true" for NEM solar.
The PGE rate plan estimator tells me my annual true up would almost double - EV-A is about $1500, EV2-A is nearly $3,000 (this is before storage).
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