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Double vision (ghosting) at night through windshield?
- Thread starter rmiggins
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I have looked, but haven't found anything better than my Maui Jim HTs. The problem is that my middle-aged eyes need more light than they allow through.
I'll plug them again, though - they're great for cloudy days or standard dusk/dawn when you still see tail light/traffic light/street light ghosting. I wear them in the bright of day as well. I've got a couple pairs, and they're my favorite shades by far.
I'll plug them again, though - they're great for cloudy days or standard dusk/dawn when you still see tail light/traffic light/street light ghosting. I wear them in the bright of day as well. I've got a couple pairs, and they're my favorite shades by far.
I recently took an extended test drive with lots of night time driving. The test drive car definitely had the ghosting, at least 2 images and a hint of a 3rd.
My general reaction is that I could live with it. That is based mostly on the fact that I have difficult eyes to correct and so I've lived with aberrations like this at various points in my life. My vision can be corrected just fine, but I wear contacts and so when you factor in comfort and ability to correct astigmatism and the fact that my pupils dilate wider than average at night (and not all contacts have a wide enough corrective portion in the center to cover my night-time pupil opening), I've had to live with "comfortable contacts that cause night vision issues vs. uncomfortable contacts that don't" before and learned to live with it. After a while you get used to it and and while you still see it, you just accept that it's what is going to happen with light sources and don't focus on it. When the alternative is a different pair of contacts that either aren't as comfortable or don't have as many options for astigmatism correction or require nightly solutions to take care of them, you make your choices. If the alternative here is an ICE car that might have a less curved windshield, the same choices come into play.
Having said that, I'd still much much rather that they find a solution for this. When my eyes are dry or tired I already can have a fair bit of this effect just coming from my contacts and I'd rather not have to deal with another source of this kind of aberration on a daily (nightly) basis.
My general reaction is that I could live with it. That is based mostly on the fact that I have difficult eyes to correct and so I've lived with aberrations like this at various points in my life. My vision can be corrected just fine, but I wear contacts and so when you factor in comfort and ability to correct astigmatism and the fact that my pupils dilate wider than average at night (and not all contacts have a wide enough corrective portion in the center to cover my night-time pupil opening), I've had to live with "comfortable contacts that cause night vision issues vs. uncomfortable contacts that don't" before and learned to live with it. After a while you get used to it and and while you still see it, you just accept that it's what is going to happen with light sources and don't focus on it. When the alternative is a different pair of contacts that either aren't as comfortable or don't have as many options for astigmatism correction or require nightly solutions to take care of them, you make your choices. If the alternative here is an ICE car that might have a less curved windshield, the same choices come into play.
Having said that, I'd still much much rather that they find a solution for this. When my eyes are dry or tired I already can have a fair bit of this effect just coming from my contacts and I'd rather not have to deal with another source of this kind of aberration on a daily (nightly) basis.
I have had my X for several months, but i avoid driving it at night. In heavy traffic, the number of images is so great that i have trouble telling where the oncoming cars are. Tesla has been less than helpful. Twice i called the service center and they asked me to bring the car in so they could verify the problem. When i got there, no one would look at my car because they said there is no fix available, so there is no point in verifying. I would like to escalate but do not know how. The Texas Lemon Law requires that you have purchased from a Texas licensed dealer, and those do not exist for Tesla. Any ideas?
Sorry, didn't get a notification of your reply. Mine is a pretty big issue and I've been dealing with Tesla folks at the Corp office. They confirmed the new manufacture. My replacement X got delayed for production I believe partially due to waiting for the new glass. I should be picking up within the next week or so.
Pandamoanium
Member
interesting. If there is in fact a new manufacture and it solves the issue, then they're going to need a lot of windshields....
Yea, they will. They initially told me they would build mine without the new windshield then install the new one once the service center received them. I told them no way, they need to wait on my build until the new windshield is ready. I have one of their show room car's while I wait.
Can you imagine all the bugs you'd get in your teeth?!
I really doubt there is a "fixed" new windshield. My X just finished production 10 days ago and it is my second day of driving and tonight the ghosting was extremely noticeable. Two very clear images of each light and an extra third image somewhat more faint. Trying very hard not to pay much attention to the headlights on the approaching traffic but also finding the ghosting affects the brake lights of the vehicles in front of me and cannot afford to ignore those. Not pleased! 
I would take it back.I really doubt there is a "fixed" new windshield. My X just finished production 10 days ago and it is my second day of driving and tonight the ghosting was extremely noticeable. Two very clear images of each light and an extra third image somewhat more faint. Trying very hard not to pay much attention to the headlights on the approaching traffic but also finding the ghosting affects the brake lights of the vehicles in front of me and cannot afford to ignore those. Not pleased!
vrykolas
Member
We had a 24-hour test drive with a VIN 14xxx MX75D. I tested it with ~1 hour of night driving and never noticed any ghosting/double-vision. I'm *hoping* that OUR X arrives with no problems. We'll find out in a few days...
scottf200
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I'm told that the 'creak noise' was a molding rubbing issue. I get the X back tomorrow as they fixed that and my 3rd row seat misalignment issue.
EV-lutioin
Active Member
Some of us with pronounced ghosting on our MX have noticed that our windshields are physically wavy when looked at from an angle. Ohmman showed me this and when look to the right quarter of the windshield from the driver's seat I can clearly see the waves, which distort all objects. Not a huge deal, but it may be related to the ghosting issue.
vrykolas
Member
We received our X on 20-Dec. It has no ghosting, VIN 31085.
However, now that you mention the waves, I do notice it at the extreme left side of the windshield if inspecting it from all angles. But this does not affect driving at all.
Hopefully Tesla is starting to reduce the occurrence of the problems and start to fix/replace those that currently exist
However, now that you mention the waves, I do notice it at the extreme left side of the windshield if inspecting it from all angles. But this does not affect driving at all.
Hopefully Tesla is starting to reduce the occurrence of the problems and start to fix/replace those that currently exist
I am ophthalmologist and I deal with people that have glare issues on daily basis. Things like big pupils, myopia, astigmatism and early cataracts on top of whatever is going on with windshield may make these issues a lot worse. Night time driving glasss with polarized lenses may make this somewhat better, but having read this thread, tesla needs to step up and fix this or this may become a potentially a liability issue in case of accidents. I would definitely at least document all your glare complaints with tesla.
Thanks for posting. I am 5'10" and have had my Model X for four months (took delivery on 8/26/2016) and have had double vision since taking delivery.
Unfortunately after a lot of research on this issue, I cannot seem to find a remedy. Not only will tinting not work, there are no local after market shops in the Bay Area that have the equipment to install a tint that doesn't have lines given the size of the windshield. At night polarized sunglasses do the trick...though who wants to wear sunglasses at night? Additionally, there are no known optical remedies for daytime lens with polarization that do not have some sort of tint to it.
I have my seat set at the lowest position and reclined to the point where I feel safe driving and my line of sight is six inches from the top of the steering wheel. Double vision persists.
The service center I am visiting with quite a bit of regularity is aware of the issues. I am on my third windshield (original windshield + two replacements), and according to the SC manager Tesla is awaiting a production refresh on the windshields that will "hopefully fix the issue" (SC Manager quote). Best recommendation I have is to continue to bring this issue up to your SC Manager so that it's properly logged.
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