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I’m not so sure.Adaptor from CCS to Tesla port a thing? Someone must be working on that - Teslas are the majority of EVs on NA roads, would be stupid to not lure them in as customers to a for profit charging outfit.
Adaptor from CCS to Tesla port a thing? Someone must be working on that - Teslas are the majority of EVs on NA roads, would be stupid to not lure them in as customers to a for profit charging outfit.
You don’t suppose they’re holding the M3 Chademo to release alongside the CCS adapter?Tesla has stated that they'll release an adapter in EU for the Model S / X to take advantage of CCS considering all M3s are CCS-only. CCS won the war, at least in the EU.
I've reached out several times for NA asking about adapter availability but they refuse to comment.... I'm pretty certain they'll have a CCS adapter for NA, it's just a matter of time... My hope would be sometime this year if they'll be releasing an EU version slightly before a NA version.
You don’t suppose they’re holding the M3 Chademo to release alongside the CCS adapter?
Due to the way the European CCS Plug is designed, it was easy to make an adapter since the Mennekes Typ2 port is layed out. The North American edition of CCS is different and the fear is that no adapter is possible.
I guarantee that all future Tesla vehicles in North America will use CCS, maybe not a year from now, but in 5 years time I imagine they will change over. Tesla needed to build their own network to create a compelling event for people to buy EVs in mass numbers, but very soon it will be advantageous to charge anywhere on any network than just a Tesla Supercharger. Once an inflection point is met, competition eating into Tesla's marketshare, or CCS Stations having better reach, that's the point Tesla will flip their charge options.
As long as Tesla sells EVs, they will ultimately end up with large coverage.
1) Tesla builds their own infrastructure. They just need to find agreeable hosts.
2) Because of home refueling Tesla doesn't need the ultra-high density that gas stations require.
My local gas station has 2 x 2 stalls with 1 x 2 having diesel available and all 2 x 2 having both regular and premium gasoline.
That requires separate tanks for 3 different fuels and two nozzles at 2 stalls.
That is considered normal and is nobody thinks it's a problem.
But chargers, which all use the same energy source, apparently have to be the same, because otherwise it won't work.
Their site is bilingual.
Locate a charger | Electrify Canada
The planned locations remind me of the Canadian Supercharger network in mid-2016. However, there's a big difference for travel to and from Quebec : nothing on the Electrify America side linking NYC and Boston to Montreal.
Tesla May add CCS support as they are doing in the EU, but I SERIOUSLY doubt they will pivot wholesale.
They have at least a five year lead on any competing charger network worldwide. They don’t need anyone to join them, but the door is open if any do.
Here’s the problem I have with that: there are no cars using CCS yet in North America (that I’m aware of anyway). Other car companies can ‘say’ they’re going to use CCS until they’re blue in the face, it’s meaningless until they actually do it. Those charging stations are all being used via their Chademo plugs.The door isn't open though; Tesla's claim of "opening up patents" has been a media story. What Tesla would need to have done was work with standards organizations such as SAE and have the Tesla connector turned into a standard and given that the entire auto industry is adopting CCS, it's game over for the Tesla Charge Port except on Tesla owned Super Chargers, or Private Destination Chargers.
The entire internet is built on modern open technologies and that's what competing auto manufacturers want -- they want standards, they want to know in 5 years time there is going to be evolution of technology that they can all take advantage of. Without an open standard there would be nothing stopping Tesla from not sharing additional information about their charge ports and thus locking the competitors out of improving the technology.
Before you say that they could just fork it, it's dangerous for a consumer to put the wrong cable into their car no matter the safety precautions built-in.
There's no advantage for Tesla to stay on their port with the exception of keeping competing cars from attempting to use their superchargers. The original advantage for the port was it was sleek and outperformed bulky connector options like CHAdeMO, but the only thing this port and connector type has now is that it's more sleek than CCS, but with CCS having specifications supporting 350 KW fast charging and payment integration, does a sleek port matter?
BMW, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar Land Rover, Kia, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo.
All of those above companies are working on EVs in some way, and they are all going to be using CCS. How are they going to sell their cars against Tesla when Tesla owns the market? Wider reach.
You're in Halifax, here's the CCS Reach today
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Here is the Superchargers
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The other problem I have is 350 kW charging = NG
there are no cars using CCS yet in North America (that I’m aware of anyway).
Due to the way the European CCS Plug is designed, it was easy to make an adapter since the Mennekes Typ2 port is layed out. The North American edition of CCS is different and the fear is that no adapter is possible.
The door isn't open though; Tesla's claim of "opening up patents" has been a media story. What Tesla would need to have done was work with standards organizations such as SAE and have the Tesla connector turned into a standard and given that the entire auto industry is adopting CCS, it's game over for the Tesla Charge Port except on Tesla owned Super Chargers, or Private Destination Chargers.
The entire internet is built on modern open technologies and that's what competing auto manufacturers want -- they want standards, they want to know in 5 years time there is going to be evolution of technology that they can all take advantage of. Without an open standard there would be nothing stopping Tesla from not sharing additional information about their charge ports and thus locking the competitors out of improving the technology.
Before you say that they could just fork it, it's dangerous for a consumer to put the wrong cable into their car no matter the safety precautions built-in.
There's no advantage for Tesla to stay on their port with the exception of keeping competing cars from attempting to use their superchargers. The original advantage for the port was it was sleek and outperformed bulky connector options like CHAdeMO, but the only thing this port and connector type has now is that it's more sleek than CCS, but with CCS having specifications supporting 350 KW fast charging and payment integration, does a sleek port matter?
BMW, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar Land Rover, Kia, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo.
All of those above companies are working on EVs in some way, and they are all going to be using CCS. How are they going to sell their cars against Tesla when Tesla owns the market? Wider reach.
You're in Halifax, here's the CCS Reach today
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Here is the Superchargers
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That is great coverage by CCS - most of which are from FLO; but the problem is that they only have one plug at each station. Whereas Tesla has on average 8 plugs per station. It would be nice if they had at least 3 CCS plugs per station. For more people to move to EV's they have to have "hope" that when they need to charge, they have a chance of getting one without having to wait for too long, if at all. When the Kona EV is available in Canada, these will sell very well. So will Niro EV and some of the others like I-Pace, Audi E-Tron, Mercedes EQC; not to mention VW's EV line up. I know all these being in the market together are propably 2/3 years out; but it is coming.
Tesla has these issues at some locations where there is a lot of traffic in Teslas... but even Tesla is trying to add addition stalls in high use areas. Hopefull FLO does the same.
Who exactly is in that segment?