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Elon is hilarious…… his own kids don’t want to be associated with him but he keeps pumping them out lmao
Meanwhile we are going on 5 years of the Model 3 with the same boring front and rear fascia
Meanwhile we are going on 5 years of the Model 3 with the same boring front and rear fascia
JRP3
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There is reason to change it, it’s very old and starting to look boring….. maybe something like what UP offers would be great….. even if only on the performance
I still remember when there was zero reason to change the interior and then everyone wanted the new interior….
JRP3
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Yet there is still a wait time to get a Model 3, so there is zero reason for Tesla to spend time and money on a retooling. Just because you personally don't like something doesn't mean there is a good reason for a company to change it.
There is wait time for just about every car out there especially EV’s…. It’s not unique to Tesla anymore.
JRP3
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Which means demand is high and there is no reason to try and create more demand for any of them.
Here's the final nail in the coffin for the ridiculous claim that Elon Musk's concern about population collapse is rooted in alt-right's idea of “white genocide“:
Notice the date of the video: September 11, 2015. Yes, he has been concerned with population collapse for at least 7 years, long before his alleged "move to the right". It's also interesting that back then nobody made a big deal of his concerns, yet today it suddenly becomes a big point of contention among left/democrats wrt Musk, why is that? Did Musk really "move to the right" or did left/democrats "move to the left"? Seems the evidence points to the latter, I expect that if we investigate thoroughly all the other supposed Musk "echoing the alt-right" cases, we'll find the same: Musk never changed, it's the left/democrats' opinion of him did a u-turn.
Notice the date of the video: September 11, 2015. Yes, he has been concerned with population collapse for at least 7 years, long before his alleged "move to the right". It's also interesting that back then nobody made a big deal of his concerns, yet today it suddenly becomes a big point of contention among left/democrats wrt Musk, why is that? Did Musk really "move to the right" or did left/democrats "move to the left"? Seems the evidence points to the latter, I expect that if we investigate thoroughly all the other supposed Musk "echoing the alt-right" cases, we'll find the same: Musk never changed, it's the left/democrats' opinion of him did a u-turn.
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JRP3
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I've always expressed strong disagreement with Musk's population stance since he's always been wrong about it.
Total population dropping at the present time is not the point. The concern is population vs age distribution.
A decrease in birth rate can result in a massive shift in the ratio of people working vs retired. Depending when the rate was higher, there can be a looming issue that isn't reflected in total population.
In 2020 there were currently about
2.6 billion in the -19 bracket (1.13x older gen)
2.3 billion in the 20-39 bracket (1.3x older gen)
1.8 billion in the 40-59 bracket (2x older gen)
0.9 billion in the 60-79 bracket
0.15 billion in the 80+ bracket
Using rough ranges for simplicity.
Roughly 4.1 billion in the working range (20-59) vs 1 billion in the retired range, a ratio of 4:1.
Shift out 20 years and it's 4.9 billion working vs 2 billion retired 2.5:1 or a 60% increase
If annual births stay flat, in 40 years it would be 5 billion working to 2.8 billion retired, 1.8:1, a >2x shift from present conditions.
If poulation only stays flat (massive drop in births), in 40 years it could be 3.5 billion working to 2.8 billion retired, 1.25:1, over a 3x shift.
Numbers from Visualizing the World’s Population by Age Group
JRP3
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That is a concern but the "solution" can't be just increasing population. As I've pointed out Musk's own push for AI and robotics is another solution and the acknowledgement of a possible need for UBI in the future is admission that more humans aren't the only answer.
Exactly. Because otherwise where does it end? If you boost population Musk-style, you just punt the problem down the road until the day when you DO have to ease off on creating young workers.
Or... you just keep increasing the population until the planet is overloaded. Which is really is already.
This is exactly the opposite of the stated mission of Tesla.
We dont need more people, old or young, And we don’t need to go to that hell hole Mars, either. Fix the planet we have and you don’t need to leave it for a hellish red desert.
Acknowledging this is somewhat semantics, but helps me in terms of understanding:
Is it reasonable to say:
There is concern due to the ratio of workforce to retirees shifting.
This shift is due, at least in part, to declining population growth rate.
If so, declining birth rate is a concern.
However, that is not to say the only solution to the problem is increased birth rate (though it is the easiest technology innovation wise). Nor can it be the long term solution (as infinite population is unsustainable).
As you point out, Musk is working on other avenues to address population sustainability, but that doesn't mean the birth rate is a non-factor/ something to not try influencing and/or call attention to.
We don’t need more people, we need people who are willing to work Min. Wage jobs, that’s the reality. Todays generation is much smarter than the past generations and are unwilling to bust their arses for min. wage. Just look at the BK worker, after 30 years of working for BK he got a bag of skittles with a SB gift card.
In other words, Musk wants people who will just shut up, work and be allowed to be fondled on airplanes or in the office to create more workers.
In other words, Musk wants people who will just shut up, work and be allowed to be fondled on airplanes or in the office to create more workers.
He is working on things to address the crunch. Like Tesla is working on renewable energy, while Elon acknowledges that we can't go full cold turkey on fossil fuels right now.
Tesla mission is to to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy. How is that related/ opposite?
Mars is protection against extinction level events and provides inspiration. Mars is not an improvement. Regardless of climate damage, Earth is eaiser to colonize/ habitate/ terraform than Mars. (Mars is easier to launch from though)
JRP3
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I was being non-confrontational/conversational and the "if" was allowing for disagreement with the premise.
I'll be more direct. As shown in the data I posted, the workforce to retiree ratio WILL shift non-favorably based on current demographics which ARE due to birth rate.
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