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News yesterday is that the entire 500+ person word-wide SC team has been let go. That is alarming. Why would Elon sack the execs and all the employees of this important part of Tesla's business? Could Tesla be selling the SC network off to a third party? Opinions? Other theories?

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I just can’t; with all these layoffs. Layoffs are a normal thing, but the way Tesla is going about it is not normal and not okay. This isn’t hardcore. It’s heartless and non-strategic.

And in typical fashion - Musk isn’t giving any detail on what the plans are for each of the devastated departments. Are investors simply holding onto shares so they can vote down Musk’s undeserving and huge payout?
 
Revenue at my company is down 1% year over year, and we're focusing on labor costs and reducing headcount as a result. The financial impact from Bidenomics frankly sucks, and we expect it to get worse. Tesla had a very bad Q1 with the significant reduction in vehicle sales and a major 55% drop in GAAP net income. I wouldn't want to be an executive in their position. Reductions are painful but necessary to get ahead of this, so not to bleed cash to a dangerous level.

As I've said here before, Tesla isn't the only EV game in town anymore. This year especially, Ford & Chevy have come out with compelling and competitive options. Tesla needs to get back to focusing on the driver (and hence the buyer) instead of cutting features. The vehicle hardware design has been influenced too much by those with a software (minimalist) mindset. Return actual steering wheels, stalks, XM radio, dual screens, and manual controls where they make functional sense. Add new/additional colors to the lineup. It would be relatively easy to turn things around, but there will be pain in the near term.
 
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The financial impact from Bidenomics frankly sucks, and we expect it to get worse.
Mmm, yes, clearly the problem is one person at the top, not a whole global economy after a pandemic causing massive shifts in consumer behaviors, business spending, previous administration policies, and tons of other things.

If the guy at the top gets all the blame, Elon is to blame for reduced sales at Tesla, and should be the first to go, right? I mean, he wants $56B in pay against a company that has $22B in cash and a $15B a year payroll. How is that fiscally intelligent for Tesla in a time of cash flow issues, and indicative that he's a good CEO making thoughtful decisions that are best for the overall company's long term health?

Elon has a LOT more to say about how Tesla is run and performs than the current president of the USA (no matter who they are) has to say about macroeconomics in the USA.
 
I mean, he wants $56B in pay against a company that has $22B in cash and a $15B a year payroll.
You mean Elon wants what the board offered him, and the stockholders approved? Shocked. But I'm not sure what the cash position or annual payroll has to do with it. Tesla isn't paying Elon, they are granting stock options, for which Elon actually has to pay Tesla to take advantage of them. (Tesla has already fully recognized their expenses related to the compensation plan.)
 
You mean Elon wants what the board offered him, and the stockholders approved? Shocked. But I'm not sure what the cash position or annual payroll has to do with it. Tesla isn't paying Elon, they are granting stock options, for which Elon actually has to pay Tesla to take advantage of them. (Tesla has already fully recognized their expenses related to the compensation plan.)
Yeah, as much as I would probably vote against the stock compensation too, it seems people have a huge misunderstanding how it works. The massive layoffs will improve the quarterly profits, but leaving off the stock compensation would not. The stock compensation affects shareholder value in a different way (via value dilution), but not giving it to Elon does not help the numbers in the quarterly report (especially given it's even a stock option, not a gift of stock, meaning Elon actually has to spend money to buy it, albeit at a reduced price compared to the market).

It's not like Tesla is taking 55B in cash and giving it to Elon.
 
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It's not like Tesla is taking 55B in cash and giving it to Elon.
Except as you say, it does dilute the shareholders, and the only reason quarterly profits matter is that shareholders care. So why does any logical shareholder care about quarterly profits but not about shareholder dilution? The impact to them is identical. $55B of dilution is equal to 9 years of Tesla profits. And the whole "but Elon has to BUY the shares!" Yeah, at $26 a share for something worth $186 a share, so you're right, it only costs Tesla shareholders $47B in dilution, not $55B. So cheap!

Another possibility is that Tesla goes and dilutes the shareholders by creating more stock and selling it, and using that to keep payroll going for 4 MORE YEARS.

Yes, the overall economics are complicated, but the fact that a CEO is arguing they are individually worth 4 years of pay for every single person at a 100K person company, of 66% of annual revenue, while in the midst of shrinking revenue and 20% layoffs, does not sound like someone that is really considering the best for the company. It sounds like someone trying to bleed a company on the way out.

And sometimes it's nothing more than the optics. Elon calling teams bloated and firing them to "make a point" while asking to be the highest paid CEO in history is peak dissonance.
 
It sounds like someone trying to bleed a company on the way out.
Did people forget how this actually happened?! This was something that was proposed and accepted based on stratospheric milestones that most people thought were crazy impossible. It's like if you structure in a new quarterback's contract that he gets a gigantic bonus if he wins the next FOUR consecutive Super Bowls. But Tesla actually did unbelievably well and got to those impressive heights. The shareholders got the massive stock value increase they wanted and voted for! So I think it was wrong for the judge to reject it, and it's proper for Musk to expect what was already approved by the shareholder vote.

So no, this isn't "bleeding a company on the way out". They didn't come up with this last week, when things were on the downward slope. This was long ago, before a skyrocketing growth phase.

Come on! Musk is a jerk in a lot of ways, but you do need to stick to being honest about reality.
 
So I think it was wrong for the judge to reject it, and it's proper for Musk to expect what was already approved by the shareholder vote.
And did people forget why the Judge ruled the way they did?
Because the Board misrepresented itself as independent, and the "stratospheric milestones" were internally pretty likely outcomes. This was not information given to shareholders when they voted. You don't get to steal $100, go to the casino, win $100, and then return the original $100 and say the initial theft wasn't an issue because it all worked out.

Nice thing here is that Tesla can just go back to the shareholders, and if they're all still so happy with how well Elon is running Tesla, it should be no challenge to get them to re-affirm that deal, right? Elon has clearly proven himself worthy of creating and managing long term value for Tesla? All that growth between March 2020 and November 2020 was all because of his amazing leadership? (reminder that TSLA jumped 8X in those 8 months and is back to that Nov 2020 price). Elon's not at all nervous that his behavior in the last 6 years is making shareholders question if his juice is worth the squeeze, is it?

But outside of all of that, the brain dead news bite of "As sales slump. Elon lays off 20% of Tesla, including all of charging team while also asking for re-affirmation of the largest CEO pay package in history by 20X and is bigger than all of Tesla's profits ever" just doesn't look good for Tesla in the public eye at all, and it's something a forward thinking CEO could easily avoid.
 
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And did people forget why the Judge ruled the way they did?
Because the Board misrepresented itself as independent, and the "stratospheric milestones" were internally pretty likely outcomes. This was not information given to shareholders when they voted. You don't get to steal $100, go to the casino, win $100, and then return the original $100 and say the initial theft wasn't an issue because it all worked out.

Nice thing here is that Tesla can just go back to the shareholders, and if they're all still so happy with how well Elon is running Tesla, it should be no challenge to get them to re-affirm that deal, right? Elon has clearly proven himself worthy of creating and managing long term value for Tesla? All that growth between March 2020 and November 2020 was all because of his amazing leadership? (reminder that TSLA jumped 8X in those 8 months and is back to that Nov 2020 price). Elon's not at all nervous that his behavior in the last 6 years is making shareholders question if his juice is worth the squeeze, is it?

But outside of all of that, the brain dead news bite of "As sales slump. Elon lays off 20% of Tesla, including all of charging team while also asking for re-affirmation of the largest CEO pay package in history by 20X and is bigger than all of Tesla's profits ever" just doesn't look good for Tesla in the public eye at all, and it's something a forward thinking CEO could easily avoid.
As another put it, this compensation was decided years ago. The amount only is valued so high now because Elon did deliver stratospheric stockholder value. In context, by the end of 2018 (the year the compensation package was decided) the stock price was only $22.19. Market cap was only around $55 billion. I don't think anyone at the time felt it would be "likely" for Tesla to be worth 10x that. Elon would only earn the full value base on achieving $50 billion market cap increments, up to $650 billion. He achieved that and more.

Basically the argument back then was the compensation was directly tied to how much shareholder value he delivered. Even at $55B at current prices, out of the $595B shareholder value he delivered, that is only 9.24% of the value he delivered.

It's just that the lawsuit timing is bad right now, and the value dropped in recent years (although even at current market cap is still ~$580B, so only a bit below the original max target), so shareholders are not happy.
Except as you say, it does dilute the shareholders, and the only reason quarterly profits matter is that shareholders care. So why does any logical shareholder care about quarterly profits but not about shareholder dilution? The impact to them is identical. $55B of dilution is equal to 9 years of Tesla profits. And the whole "but Elon has to BUY the shares!" Yeah, at $26 a share for something worth $186 a share, so you're right, it only costs Tesla shareholders $47B in dilution, not $55B. So cheap!

Another possibility is that Tesla goes and dilutes the shareholders by creating more stock and selling it, and using that to keep payroll going for 4 MORE YEARS.

Yes, the overall economics are complicated, but the fact that a CEO is arguing they are individually worth 4 years of pay for every single person at a 100K person company, of 66% of annual revenue, while in the midst of shrinking revenue and 20% layoffs, does not sound like someone that is really considering the best for the company. It sounds like someone trying to bleed a company on the way out.

And sometimes it's nothing more than the optics. Elon calling teams bloated and firing them to "make a point" while asking to be the highest paid CEO in history is peak dissonance.
It's not $55 billion of dilution. His options only affect the market if he exercises it and then starts selling stock on the market (and the actual monetary value varies based on stock price at the time, it's not a fixed number like $55B). But he has no reason to do so given he get more value out of it by keeping it, trying to increase the stock price, and borrowing money on the value of shares. That's what he has been doing even for his previous options.

As such shareholders care a lot less about the stock options, than say profit margin, which directly impacts the future of the company (and thus stock price).

The worry about not giving him the promised compensation is he doesn't have an incentive to push the company to the next level as CEO, or maybe he even divests his current shares (which may tank the stock). Of course if you are of the opinion he shouldn't be running the company, then you don't care about that.

Of course this is a bad time to be having a lawsuit on it, given the stock has dropped since last year and the recent quarter performance was relatively bad.
 
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IMHO it doesn't bode well. This "feels" like Musk cost cutting for the sake of cost cutting without proper due diligence. At risk are all, ALL, of the contracts signed over the past year from almost all major automotive manufacturers to switch over to the J3400 standard and to gain access to the Tesla SC network. I'm certain there are protective contract clauses, for both Tesla and the contracting party, that are likely violated due to these actions. Just my two cents of course, but there will almost certainly be downstream consequences for the actions taken today if they are actually true. Musk can do whatever he wants, but legal contracts are legal contracts also. We could potentially see lawsuits against Tesla for this action alone - given other manufacturers are spending real money to convert over to the J3400 standard plugs in their vehicles, and have made commitments to their customer bases to gain access to a Tesla SC network that, for all intents and purposes, no longer has any employees left to support it. Get out your popcorn folks, it's going to be fun to watch! 🍿

DUMB SIZING

In the early 1990's companies went into a crazy spiral of laying off like crazy, a race to the bottom.
The purpose to reduce costs went too deep and reduced talent, resulting in loss of productivity and actually increased costs as a result!
“Eventually downsizing becomes what we call ‘dumbsizing’ when companies carry it too far,” Celente said Monday. “People of talent and experience are lost, taking with them irreplaceable resources and stressing out the people left behind.”

I am sure the SC unit could be reduced in size, but by eliminating the entire team there is uncertain future! What Musk says about "going slow" is basically finishing off what was already arranged.
Ford and Rivien said they lost contact with the team planning opening the network to their cars.

Not only do companies that dumbsize loose people who know what they are doing and the intangible information needed to exceed basic work, they also loose years of contacts with other companies that benefit that their company.

There is a long list of startup CEO's that are great in forming a product and a company, but not that good running a company, letting their can-do get job done yesterday urgency make poor choices. This may be one of those knee jerk poor choices.
 
As another put it, this compensation was decided years ago. The amount only is valued so high now because Elon did deliver stratospheric stockholder value. In context, by the end of 2018 (the year the compensation package was decided) the stock price was only $22.19. Market cap was only around $55 billion. I don't think anyone at the time felt it would be "likely" for Tesla to be worth 10x that. Elon would only earn the full value base on achieving $50 billion market cap increments, up to $650 billion. He achieved that and more.

Basically the argument back then was the compensation was directly tied to how much shareholder value he delivered. Even at $55B at current prices, out of the $595B shareholder value he delivered, that is only 9.24% of the value he delivered.

It's just that the lawsuit timing is bad right now, and the value dropped in recent years (although even at current market cap is still ~$580B, so only a bit below the original max target), so shareholders are not happy.

It's not $55 billion of dilution. His options only affect the market if he exercises it and then starts selling stock on the market (and the actual monetary value varies based on stock price at the time, it's not a fixed number like $55B). But he has no reason to do so given he get more value out of it by keeping it, trying to increase the stock price, and borrowing money on the value of shares. That's what he has been doing even for his previous options.

As such shareholders care a lot less about the stock options, than say profit margin, which directly impacts the future of the company (and thus stock price).

The worry about not giving him the promised compensation is he doesn't have an incentive to push the company to the next level as CEO, or maybe he even divests his current shares (which may tank the stock). Of course if you are of the opinion he shouldn't be running the company, then you don't care about that.

Of course this is a bad time to be having a lawsuit on it, given the stock has dropped since last year and the recent quarter performance was relatively bad.
I'm highly highly against what the judge ruled. But I don't think Elon should be running the company any longer, yes. And a great deal of the run up in the stock was pandemic / ZIRP based. That's not to take away from Elon's role in the gains of the stock, but he's a liability now.
 
I am sure the SC unit could be reduced in size, but by eliminating the entire team there is uncertain future! What Musk says about "going slow" is basically finishing off what was already arranged.
Ford and Rivien said they lost contact with the team planning opening the network to their cars.
Hard to see how any OEM will be entertaining to license “FSD” from Tesla after this move.

Ford, Rivian, plenty others swallowed their pride and admitted that Tesla’s charging standard is superior and went into agreement with Tesla to make their vehicles NACS and Supercharger compatible. Tesla now ghosting their business partners - because Elon rage fired the entire team - is a cautious tale for more cooperation…. If I were Ford and my NACS roll out would be delayed because Tesla fired the entire team… probably the last project i would do with them.
 
and none of the above would even remotely justify canning the ENTIRE team with an email at midnight. also Elon said none of the above....

a lot of odd theories just to not entertain the idea that Elon acts irrational at times and Supercharging takes the backseat for AI and robotaxis...
Also the optics are very important. Superchargers are Tesla’s key USP. Anyone in the market to buy one will consider them as a value add, and it will be a purchase differentiator. For some people it is the reason they rationalised buying an EV full stop.

Even if you don’t have need to use the SC network yourself, you will consider it useful to have in case you ever did. Also if you’re a private buyer you’ll probably factor it In to making the car overall more attractive in a world where public EV charging is still not ubiquitous.

If Musk had trimmed the SC team by the suggested 10-20% that he apparently wanted, before getting pushback from Tinucci, then that probably would’ve flown under the radar (notwithstanding the fact that if Tinucci thought even that would have a negative impact I’m more inclined to believe her expertise). As it is it would appear he nuked the entire team from orbit, at 1am over email, over this imagined slight. It would not be remotely a stretch to suggest that this was done whilst he was in a “pharmacologically altered” state, given all we know at this point.

The optics of firing the entire team in such a cavalier, unprofessional way is that the general public will start to think that Superchargers are no longer part of the plan for Tesla, that there is no hope of any new ones being deployed in their vicinity, and that the ones that exist now may fall into disrepair. Those people might start considering other brands instead as a result.

I saw a post on Reddit which encapsulated my feelings pretty well - “People, including me, were wishing that Elon would start paying more attention to Tesla again. Those people are probably rethinking that now.”
 
Sorry to repeat myself, but this is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Suppose Tesla had a massive but not total layoff and said:

“Thanks to NEVI, fewer Tesla Superchargers will be needed in North America. We thank the Supercharger team led by Rebecca Tinucci who helped Tesla reach this milestone. Going forward, Tesla drivers may see fewer Tesla Superchargers by percentage but more fast charging stations across North America. And with a software update later this year, your Tesla will be able to navigate and charge seamlessly with any compatible charger.”

Then we’d all be praising Musk for his wise decision. Instead, we’re worried for the future of our expensive cars and questioning our decision to buy into the Tesla ecosystem.
Well said. Would have been a much better way to do it.
 
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Again: Sheesh!

Why laying off a team that has done its job and is no longer needed brings all this wing flapping and towel wringing is beyond me.
Why anyone thinks this means that Superchargers won't be made any longer or distributed and installed is beyond me.

The chargers are made by robots and installed by contractors. Once installed they are 99.9% operational and stay that good because of the excellent design of the team, now excess, who designed them along with their manufacturing parameters.

If Elon DIDN'T keep Tesla at top efficiency THEN he'd need to be replaced but that is not the case.

Elon has what, 58% of the voting stock? You'all go ahead with your plans to vote against him if it makes you feel better.
 
Who negotiates the leases?
Who manages the contractors?
Who manages the various other parties involved? Power providers, electricians, roadworks, etc?

Only an idiot would believe that wiping the entire team out, in this fashion, was a genius move. It was a knee jerk emotional reaction to professional pushback from a subject matter expert, which zealots are now desperately doing mental gymnastics to try and justify retrospectively.
 
Again: Sheesh!

Why laying off a team that has done its job and is no longer needed brings all this wing flapping and towel wringing is beyond me.
Why anyone thinks this means that Superchargers won't be made any longer or distributed and installed is beyond me.

The chargers are made by robots and installed by contractors. Once installed they are 99.9% operational and stay that good because of the excellent design of the team, now excess, who designed them along with their manufacturing parameters.

If Elon DIDN'T keep Tesla at top efficiency THEN he'd need to be replaced but that is not the case.

Elon has what, 58% of the voting stock? You'all go ahead with your plans to vote against him if it makes you feel better.
lol. lol. lol.

so who's selecting sites, getting quotes from contractors, negotiating with utilities, integrating into Tesla network etc. ... that's all "no longer needed" ?

and even if superchargers were 99.9% uptime without any maintenance team due to a "superior design" ... well ... S**T still happens like an idiot knocking down a charging stall by backing into it. copper thieves cuting all cables like just happened in Houston. Flooding. Storms. whatnot.

and if in fact sites are 99.9% uptime due to superior design and site selection etc all done by robots/AI ... Elon would have said so in his tweets. but he didn't. and it was a 1am email firing rage.