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Wiki Everything you wanted to know about Intelligent Octopus But Were Afraid To Ask

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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Read the Octopus every half hour and use the result to disable the PW discharge (in fact charge the PW during those slots if you don't have PV)
Thanks for your help. What do you mean by read the octopus every half hour to disable PW discharge? Do you mean set up a script to do this? Is there a setting to stop the PW discharging? I cant find a setting to stop PW discharge.
 
Thanks for your help. What do you mean by read the octopus every half hour to disable PW discharge? Do you mean set up a script to do this? Is there a setting to stop the PW discharging? I cant find a setting to stop PW discharge.
I run my own JavaScript to read the octopus API
I control my own battery based on this, I don't have a PW but the logic should be the same
 
Is this normal?
Thursday evening a smart charging plan created. All OK and waiting to charge. Friday morning woken up at 03:30 by another smart charging plan on my phone. Starting at that time. But the car had started charging from original plan time and was still charging until finish time. Not happy at being woken up.

Sunday evening a smart charging plan created, but on Monday morning at 02:00 I am woken up again by a message that says "we cannont control your device, even though it is actually charging from the scheduled start time to finish. Not happy again.

Last night a smart charging plan created and this morning woken up at 03:35 by another smart charging plan starting at that time. But once again the charge started and finished at original times.
I am fed up of being woken up with these spurious messages.
Has any one else had similar?
 
Is this normal?
Thursday evening a smart charging plan created. All OK and waiting to charge. Friday morning woken up at 03:30 by another smart charging plan on my phone. Starting at that time. But the car had started charging from original plan time and was still charging until finish time. Not happy at being woken up.

Sunday evening a smart charging plan created, but on Monday morning at 02:00 I am woken up again by a message that says "we cannont control your device, even though it is actually charging from the scheduled start time to finish. Not happy again.

Last night a smart charging plan created and this morning woken up at 03:35 by another smart charging plan starting at that time. But once again the charge started and finished at original times.
I am fed up of being woken up with these spurious messages.
Has any one else had similar?
Silence your phone when you’re sleeping? 🤷‍♂️
 
Silence your phone when you’re sleeping? 🤷‍♂️
Yes I could do that. Octopus have suggested I do it as well, or turn off notifications for the app. But why should I?
I have provided them details about the first two incidents and thay have confirmed same from their sysyems, and due to the fact it is a BETA product I am thinking they might fix the issues.
I have not reported this mornings yet but for the first two I asked for some compensation and received two £10 credits so perhaps I will get another tenner today.
That is not the point though. I am just providing feedback on a flawed? system.
 
Any way thinking about it if the car fails to start charging at say 00:30 and the app notifies me then I have time to start the charge myself if I urgently need the car in the morning.
Silencing the phone or app defeats the purpose of the product.
 
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What an attitude. This is the IO boffins (not the call handler's ) response.
Either turn your phone off or stop notifications or move to GO. I fail to see how these options can help improve a BETA product

I moved from GO when term finished and it is now more expensive and less hours.
.My belief in Octopus energy is on a downward spiral.
 
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When I was on GO, I use to charge once I got down to 60% SoC as the lowest was 48% given the 4 hours charge. On average I was charging 10 times a month.
Screenshot_20230613_141701_Octopus.jpg

Now on OI, I normally go down to around 35% SoC given the 6 hours of charge. Now, on average, I plug in only 7 times a month.
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Surely, it would be greener to plug in every night as that would give Octopus a higher probability of charging using the cheapest electricity?
 
Surely, it would be greener to plug in every night as that would give Octopus a higher probability of charging using the cheapest electricity?
I have no need to plug in every night. The car is charged to 90% and used infrequently, but the lowest state of charge to get it back to 90% in 6 hours would be 32% ish. Which is an occasional requirement.
However I am not complaining that the car has failed to charge whether it be for one hour or six hours. I am complaining about the spurious notifications which mean absolutely nothing, which I receive for no reason.
 
Yes I could do that. Octopus have suggested I do it as well, or turn off notifications for the app. But why should I?
I have provided them details about the first two incidents and thay have confirmed same from their sysyems, and due to the fact it is a BETA product I am thinking they might fix the issues.
I have not reported this mornings yet but for the first two I asked for some compensation and received two £10 credits so perhaps I will get another tenner today.
That is not the point though. I am just providing feedback on a flawed? system.

I don’t quite understand what all the rage is about. (Maybe lack of sleep?)

If you don’t want to be disturbed when sleeping;

Turn off smart charging and just charge the car in the off peak window.

Or do what you do with all your other apps, when you don’t want to be woken up; Turn off the notifications, or turn off the notification sounds.