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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Also the SOC % when viewed in car/app is different to that used in API, ie via IO.

API uses gross figure, so 100% is 100% and 95% is 95% giv or take BMS (which can fluctuate down and up over a short period of time) and integer resolution.

However in app, 99% might actually be 100% as it’s actually showing usable % which might be influenced by several things like temperature (but not driving style or last drive).

Some tools like TeslaFi show both and it is easy to see and observe how common this is. See below right now - api (dark) vs app (blue)

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And now car has woken it’s 65%

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So behaviour fully explainable, not uncommon and nothing to do with IO

In above, there is a 2% discrepancy between last nights API setting, ie as what would have been used by IO and this mornings app/car view
 
Thanks for reply, but the missing 1% or not quite fully charging I wasn’t concerned about not having it but more concerned about battery health and it not actually charging to full which Tesla recommends

If it’s 99% in the car/app it’s possibly still 100% as far as BMS is concerned. The 99% might just be the app/car display offset to account for the usable capacity at that point in time. If you looked at the API value, eg TeslaFi etc, then it may well be showing 100%.

However I get the point that IO may be using the lower end of 100% and stopping rather than brimming at the top end of 100% but I don’t have any info as to what the cutoff for ‘100%’ actually is vs brimmed 100%. Empirically it does indeed appear that IO might use the lower threshold so moment car loses a bit it drops 1% on the display. iirc battery % is integer in API.
 
Hi,

Does anyone know if you have excess in your solar batteries and you do a bump charge and that comes out of the batteries, that doesn’t get charged right? I assume not.

Or do you need to disable smart charging first and just start your car charging from the batteries?

Thanks in advance.
 
Hi,

Does anyone know if you have excess in your solar batteries and you do a bump charge and that comes out of the batteries, that doesn’t get charged right? I assume not.

Or do you need to disable smart charging first and just start your car charging from the batteries?

Thanks in advance.
You only get charged for anything imported from the grid. If during a bump charge your house battery can cover the full charge rate and there is no grid import then you won’t pay for the energy.
 
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Or do you need to disable smart charging first and just start your car charging from the batteries?

Before I had a battery I used the charger to take surplus solar but the car required a minimum of 1.3 kWh so dips in solar power or additional kettle, cooker etc it was supplemented from the grid. Now I use the Granny charger at a steady 10amps which the battery sees as a load on the house. The battery then takes whatever solar is available.
 
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Just installed a powerwall. I charge the car with IO. Problem is if octopus sets a charge after 5.30(end of cheap rate set for powerwall) then it drains the powerwall to charge the car rather then take from the grid. Any way to get round this otherwise I am going to end up with a lot of cycling the powerwall.

I do quite a few miles so the car is often charging outside the 11.30 - 5.30 window.
 
Just installed a powerwall. I charge the car with IO. Problem is if octopus sets a charge after 5.30(end of cheap rate set for powerwall) then it drains the powerwall to charge the car rather then take from the grid. Any way to get round this otherwise I am going to end up with a lot of cycling the powerwall.

I do quite a few miles so the car is often charging outside the 11.30 - 5.30 window.
Read the Octopus every half hour and use the result to disable the PW discharge (in fact charge the PW during those slots if you don't have PV)
 
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What an interesting last 30 days. I've not taken any grid power and have just used solar to charge my Tesla and power the property. No comment from Octopus on why I've not done an IO charge for over a month. Looks like the sun will keep this way for at least another two weeks.