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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Great thread. Sorry if this has already been asked in this thread but I could not find an answer.

I have a zappi and usually it charges automatically when the solar is generating. I assume that as the charger has to be left on 'fast' there is no way to get this to still charge from solar in the day time automatically. Is that right or is there a way to make the Zappi automatically be in different modes at different times of the day?
No, manually change to Eco+ for daytime Solar or for a scheduled (timed) charge then back to Fast mode prior to plugging in for IO.
 
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I have just moved over to IO and I have a question for you intelligent folk.

During the 6 hours overnight, if the car hits its targeted charge rate at say 3am, will the car still accept charge up to the 5:30am cut off (still holding its target charge). Or will smart charging stop the charging at 3am and the car won’t accept any charge from 3am, which could cause a dip in charge?
 
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No, manually change to Eco+ for daytime Solar or for a scheduled (timed) charge then back to Fast mode prior to plugging in for IO.

but you'd need to turn off your smart charging in the octopus app too, right? otherwise that will prevent the car from taking a charge. So eg

daytime : smart turned off in app, zappi set to eco+ (with your preferred mix). Will use solar but also grid - and grid will be peak rate
evening : smart turned on, zappi set to fast. Will schedule overnight using off peak
 
I have just moved over to IO and I have a question for you intelligent folk.

During the 6 hours overnight, if the car hits its targeted charge rate at say 3am, will the car still accept charge up to the 5:30am cut off (still holding its target charge). Or will smart charging stop the charging at 3am and the car won’t accept any charge from 3am, which could cause a dip in charge?
Depending on how you have off peak charging configured in the Tesla app, it’ll grab extra power when it needs it. IO starting/stopping a charge is just the same as pressing start charging on the app, it doesn’t block charging when the car or user decides to charge.
 
Depending on how you have off peak charging configured in the Tesla app, it’ll grab extra power when it needs it. IO starting/stopping a charge is just the same as pressing start charging on the app, it doesn’t block charging when the car or user decides to charge.
Thank you.

Would best practice be to set off peak charging in the car for 23:30-05:30. Then IO will override charging outside of them hours?

Could you kindly share how you set it, as looking at teslas scheduling, it’s not simple and clunky. There is nowhere to set start and end time.
 
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quick question to you all, been on IO a while and it's been fine - got my morning routine of turning off smart charging and turning it back on on the home commute sorted but recently i've noticed maybe once per week where I'll have to completely remove the car and re-add it with the '7 minute test charge' as IO doent recognise my car is plugged in even after unplugging the car and pluging it back in.
 
I have just moved over to IO and I have a question for you intelligent folk.

During the 6 hours overnight, if the car hits its targeted charge rate at say 3am, will the car still accept charge up to the 5:30am cut off (still holding its target charge). Or will smart charging stop the charging at 3am and the car won’t accept any charge from 3am, which could cause a dip in charge?
It will stop when you reach the target, whichever is lower, in the Octopus app or in the car.
 
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quick question to you all, been on IO a while and it's been fine - got my morning routine of turning off smart charging and turning it back on on the home commute sorted but recently i've noticed maybe once per week where I'll have to completely remove the car and re-add it with the '7 minute test charge' as IO doent recognise my car is plugged in even after unplugging the car and pluging it back in.
You can leave smart charging on now. Car sleep is now fixed.

If you plug in and IO is not promptly creating the schedule/stopping the initial charge (it happens sometimes), just manually stop the charge in the Tesla app.
 
Thank you.

Would best practice be to set off peak charging in the car for 23:30-05:30. Then IO will override charging outside of them hours?

Could you kindly share how you set it, as looking at teslas scheduling, it’s not simple and clunky. There is nowhere to set start and end time.
All I do is set off-peak charge in the schedule to 5:30 and IO will handle the rest. Car won’t start a charge when you plug in but IO will still give you a schedule a bit later on and if it’s outside of the off-peak hours the car will charge when IO tells it to.

You can fill in other details in the charge stats page but that just lets the app calculate charging costs.
 
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Yes - mine stopped sending readings at the end of June. Best way to contact Octopus is Twitter DM - response within 24 hours. I have been advised that there is an industry wide issue involving my type of smart meter (L&G E470) that causes it to lose its mobile link for sending the readings. Octopus have advised me that the meter should automatically restart itself after 3 months which should fix the problem (I know!...but that's what they said). I have been told that if the issue hasn't resolved itself by the end of September then they will have to send someone out to look at the meter. The meter itself still seems to be recording and storing the readings (the IHD is working fine). Even if the meter is kaput I presume the readings for the last 3 months can be downloaded directly from it by engineer and can then be passed on to Octopus. All bit frustrating though - meter is only 9 months old!
Interesting. I managed to get in contact on the phone and they confirmed its a problem between Octopus and the mobile link provider. They have logged a complaint for them to get it working again. But said they are receiving readings, its just not showing in the app or something. Bit of a joke isn't it?

They said it will fix itself eventually, but then last night my app wouldn't set a charge, the car just starting charging when I plugged it in. So I had to reconnect the car in the Octopus app, eventually it sorted itself, not after some insults about the system.
 
but you'd need to turn off your smart charging in the octopus app too, right? otherwise that will prevent the car from taking a charge. So eg

daytime : smart turned off in app, zappi set to eco+ (with your preferred mix). Will use solar but also grid - and grid will be peak rate
evening : smart turned on, zappi set to fast. Will schedule overnight using off peak
Eco+ will only use Solar excess above 1.4kWh
 
I just switched to Go a week or so ago, and originally thought to swtich to IO once my Tesla arrive on Sep 21.
However my car is now delayed for 8 days by Tesla.

Any idea how much time will be given to me to perform the test charge if I start the IO process now?
Still a bit worried that the fixed tariff rate of IO will change in the meantime, so I am trying to lock it in.

Thanks.