thesmokingman
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I'm refraining from letting the wife know cuz she'll make me opt in and secure her a score... lol.
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I’m from GA and FL seems much more aggressive especially near Miami and Boca. I’ve seen some crazy driving there on 95 and the turnpike. It’s a good testing ground for FSD Beta due to the speeds and unpredictable nature of some of the drivers there.From my understanding it’s over the life of the beta. Honestly though if you’re not paying attention enough to get a forced disengagement you probably shouldn’t be in the beta. Just using it these last couple days down here in South Florida I need to be attentive.
City driving was and is, for me, the easiest way to keep the score high because you are usually driving under 50mph thus eliminating the close following dings. Hard braking errors are reduced too because predicting slowdowns is easier. Since I have Tesla Insurance I have been driving the with the SS since October 2021 when I got the beta. Ironically it is far easier to maintain a higher SS once you get the beta. Just my experience driving in Austin, YMMV.Any city driving?
So my observations are that at the beginning it's completely alien to have the vehicle attempting some of the more technical maneuvers in city driving. We are generally *very* used to how we drive. So in the beginning you intervene as soon as the vehicle does something you wouldn't. Then after a while the system earns your confidence and you begin to give it more opportunity to show you its stuff and perform new or challenging maneuvers. Then, you begin to realize that early on when you thought the Beta was going to make a mistake, it was really going to be successful, and you just cut it off early because it was not the way you would do something, etc.It probably wasn’t a forced disengagement. Was it more you took over and fsd disengaged? Ive had a few cased where mine was confused on the turn and automatically disengaged so I could take over.
Whoa....wait, with Tesla insurance, do you ALWAYS have to keep maintaining a safety score? That would be terrible......unless the insurance is MUCH, much cheaper than other auto insurance options? Nationwide insurance was just as cheap for my model y as it is our 2015 honda odyssey....City driving was and is, for me, the easiest way to keep the score high because you are usually driving under 50mph thus eliminating the close following dings. Hard braking errors are reduced too because predicting slowdowns is easier. Since I have Tesla Insurance I have been driving the with the SS since October 2021 when I got the beta. Ironically it is far easier to maintain a higher SS once you get the beta. Just my experience driving in Austin, YMMV.
It's been a while since I was dealing with Safety Score (not to rub it in) but I agree that the insurance prices will have to be much better for me to consider the switch. To be honest, once I figured out how it was calculated, I didn't have much trouble maintaining a good score but it's my other half that would be very worried about! I had to completely reset SS a number of times when I saw very low scores come in from the other driver.Whoa....wait, with Tesla insurance, do you ALWAYS have to keep maintaining a safety score? That would be terrible......unless the insurance is MUCH, much cheaper than other auto insurance options? Nationwide insurance was just as cheap for my model y as it is our 2015 honda odyssey....
I’m in the Miami area and these drivers definitely are pushing the beta hard lol.I’m from GA and FL seems much more aggressive especially near Miami and Boca. I’ve seen some crazy driving there on 95 and the turnpike. It’s a good testing ground for FSD Beta due to the speeds and unpredictable nature of some of the drivers there.
I have found myself being even more attentive then when I drive. When I drive I know exactly what to do.So my observations are that at the beginning it's completely alien to have the vehicle attempting some of the more technical maneuvers in city driving. We are generally *very* used to how we drive. So in the beginning you intervene as soon as the vehicle does something you wouldn't. Then after a while the system earns your confidence and you begin to give it more opportunity to show you its stuff and perform new or challenging maneuvers. Then, you begin to realize that early on when you thought the Beta was going to make a mistake, it was really going to be successful, and you just cut it off early because it was not the way you would do something, etc.
That's when the Beta is really training you. This happens all the time on a much lower level with consumer electronics, etc. We're very adept and learning how a system operates and then operating it within those constraints. However this is not like other hardware/software, just because it acted a certain way does not guarantee it will act the same way in another similar situation. Maybe this is a characteristic of AI I just don't have a lot of exposure to. So usually not a big deal with some app on your phone, definitely a big deal with a vehicle driving you on an open road.
So the warning is just to be careful. When you're giving it leeway to execute maneuvers that are outside of your comfort zone, how do you know when to intervene? When the Beta has proven it can handle certain straightforward (and complex!) tasks, how do you know this time will be different? It can be hard to know and therefore require more attention than merely driving yourself.
It is wild and exciting and probably somewhat similar to the unpredictable dangers of driving a steam/ICE car on the road mostly occupied by horses in the previous grand transition period, etc. I could see this being the most difficult phase of autonomous driving transition.
I can see your point of view but I think the price comparisons vary a lot by model and state to state. For me is it a lot cheaper - like 70%. Progressive, Farmers, State Farm, Allstate are all between $200 - $300 per month for full coverage on my 2019 MS. My June bill from Tesla will be $75.56 for equivalent coverage with a 99 SS score. I don't really find it too constraining because even with a poor safety score it is still cheaper. And as I said it is much easier to maintain a good score using the city driving Beta.Whoa....wait, with Tesla insurance, do you ALWAYS have to keep maintaining a safety score? That would be terrible......unless the insurance is MUCH, much cheaper than other auto insurance options? Nationwide insurance was just as cheap for my model y as it is our 2015 honda odyssey....
Something not adding up here. Your score is not dinged from lane departure warnings. What do you mean by "early" collision?I gave up on waiting for FSD Beta. Been trying since this began but the constant (false) early collision and lane departure warnings keep destroying my score. And driving like an old lady from Pasadena in a Performance just to get a beta simply isn't worth the effort.
Forward collision warnings is likely what the OP meant. They will ding your score and it's first item listed under scoring factors in the App. Of course, they don't effect your SS if you have FSD enabled. I get them regularly when using the beta but never without, ha ha.Something not adding up here. Your score is not dinged from lane departure warnings. What do you mean by "early" collision?
Navigation in Tesla is done by a 3rd-party provider which is an open-source platform, while the map data is Google Maps. Avoiding dirt roads is the job of navigation and routing, so you need to provide that feedback to MapBox/Valhalla.I just got it today too. I had a safety score somewhere around 93-94. Didn’t expect to be in it but updated last night and had the beta available this morning. I did drive 4300 miles in 30 days. One thing I really want is for Tesla navigation to avoid taking dirt roads!! Anyone know the best place to provide that feedback?
Forward collision warnings. I live in a neighborhood where the cars park on the street and it's constantly going off destroying my score.Something not adding up here. Your score is not dinged from lane departure warnings. What do you mean by "early" collision?
I live in a neighbourhood with ++street parking. Cars are parked on both sides of the street with only like a foot of clearance between cars. Mirrors on the street must be folded in else they're pretty much guaranteed to be smashed. I've never gotten a forward collision warning. How fast are you driving through these streets?Forward collision warnings. I live in a neighborhood where the cars park on the street and it's constantly going off destroying my score.