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Firmware 7.0 Beta Discussion
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SeminoleFSU
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*in my best cheech and chong voice* you couldn't handle that on strong acid, maaaan
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LOL I went out and did this for my own curiosity and also so I would know when ppl behind me would and wouldn't see brake lights... Mostly for my own safety but also for courtesy to others behind me. I am by no means suggesting everyone must or should do this... It wouldn't hurt of they did, but to each his own. Live and let live
Sogorman
Member
Is it just me or does anyone find it odd that we have seen lots of leaked photos but no actual AP photos or videos? Maybe the accidental 7.0 deployment went to non AP cars?
3s-a-charm
Active Member
Ugh. Owning a Tesla is a lesson in patience. Order then wait... delivery notification then wait... autopilot then wait... updated firmware - you get the picture. Good things come to those, I suppose.
mikeash
Active Member
Ugh. Owning a Tesla is a lesson in patience. Order then wait... delivery notification then wait... autopilot then wait... updated firmware - you get the picture. Good things come to those, I suppose.
If we owned regular cars then we would no longer need to exercise any patience, because we wouldn't be getting any post-delivery upgrades!
stsanford
Member
A fake analog clock, seriously?!
So the power indicator is now optional and takes up one of the side panels? It looks like in general the instrument cluster is a lot skimpier on information than currently. Not sure I like that.
I hope it's customizable, like a skin, because I have to be honest, I really dislike the side pods...
Andyw2100
Well-Known Member
Assuming Tesla isn't really taking away our beloved combined speedometer / power meter, or if are, but later decide to bring it back, one way to represent the status of the brake lights that would work even for the color blind (I believe), and building off SW2Fiddler's idea, would be to add an outline in red, (perhaps with shading or spacing or something for the colorblind) around the outside of the green regen meter when the red brake lights are on during regen. The meaning would be pretty intuitive. (Red added to green.)
As for Khatsalano's idea, I --LOVE-- that idea! I've never seen anyone mention something like that before. And it wouldn't be used only when someone was turning TACC off. It could be used with TACC on as well.
There are lots of times while using TACC that I try to perfectly match the accelerator pedal power. For example, if I have TACC set, and I'm being passed by a car that is then going to cut in too close in front of me, such that TACC is going to regeneratively brake unnecessarily, I attempt to match the position of the accelerator pedal before this happens, so that I don't brake for no reason, since I know in just a few seconds the car that cut me off is going to be far enough ahead of me that the TACC would not be braking. But getting that exact match is difficult, and often I'll either accelerate a little bit, or brake a bit. Khatsalano's suggestion would make this a heck of a lot easier.
David-El
Model S - P3078
I also agree with the major critiques regarding v7. I have no problem with the current UI. But seeing as they are switching to a flatter look, I'll give my critiques along with possible ways to improve.
Put the real-time power back in the center of the display. Perhaps put it as a second bar underneath the speedometer?
Put the status bar back at the bottom.
While I'd rather have the battery back in the center as well, I understand that with autopilot that they're probably trying to keep the display uniform as much as possible between the two (autopilot on/autopilot off(n/a)). So, how about adding it there at the bottom left and moving the other info over so it can all be present.
Put the real-time power back in the center of the display. Perhaps put it as a second bar underneath the speedometer?
Put the status bar back at the bottom.
While I'd rather have the battery back in the center as well, I understand that with autopilot that they're probably trying to keep the display uniform as much as possible between the two (autopilot on/autopilot off(n/a)). So, how about adding it there at the bottom left and moving the other info over so it can all be present.
Wow, its shocking to me how adverse people are to folks simply offering an opinion on a forum. That's what forums are for guys. And I do think many of the issues raised here are legitimate and need to be considered before general release. It's not just design, it's functionality (or lack there of) in many cases that is getting the most attention here.
MartinAustin
Active Member
I was at a Billion Miles event today.
The Tesla staff there insisted that any EAP persons who were leaking images will certainly have been terminated from the program.
The Tesla staff there insisted that any EAP persons who were leaking images will certainly have been terminated from the program.
Bugeater
Member
That's pretty absolute! As for me I'm pretty sure that some folks on this forum have real ideas about usability.
I currently have a pet peeve with Firefox. The developers updated the UI but removed an option in Firefox that I had shown several co-workers. They all loved it because it made navigating easier. The Firefox engineers don't seem to care because like usual THEY know better.
So far I'm trying to keep an open mind about 7.0 but if Tesla really takes away notable information from the IC without giving reasonable options to make it available, they may be making a mistake.
Like Firefox it would be great If Tesla could give us an app where we could drag-n-drop pieces of UI to where we wanted them and then save it and have the IC update with the new layout!
bollar
Disgruntled Member
I'm unaware of any EAP persons leaking pictures. The ones we've seen here are from those who say they're NOT in an EAP.
bollar
Disgruntled Member
The most extensive selection of images come from our own Cattledog. He says he's not in the EAP and it won't be difficult for Tesla to track down his Founders Series S to determine if the car is EAP or not.
Seems to be several posts here indicating folks are somewhat out of line for evaluating what may not even be a final design.
My personal DEFCON level is tied to the level of certainty that what I'm seeing is representative of a final product. At this point that's rather low. This could be an engineering test version with placeholder GFX to test underlying plumbing changes, it could be one of a dozen different UX style alternatives, it could be a version rejected some time back, etc... Or it could be a late release candidate. We don't know.
That having been said, I'm going to react to what I do or don't like about it. And, in an attempt to "keep the SNR level high", several folks did so providing with specific examples of why, and providing the reasoning for the comments. We also provided constructive feedback regarding what we feel makes up a good UI in general, and one for piloting an EV in specific.
That's a far cry from "Dude, that dash sux!!1!"
Given this appears to be an inadvertent push from Tesla we don't have a lot of info to go on. Thus, you need to modulate your personal level of concern over both the UI itself, and the responses to it, appropriately.
But don't take a reasonably well-thought out response and assume that the poster doesn't realize this could not be indicative of the final product at all.
My personal DEFCON level is tied to the level of certainty that what I'm seeing is representative of a final product. At this point that's rather low. This could be an engineering test version with placeholder GFX to test underlying plumbing changes, it could be one of a dozen different UX style alternatives, it could be a version rejected some time back, etc... Or it could be a late release candidate. We don't know.
That having been said, I'm going to react to what I do or don't like about it. And, in an attempt to "keep the SNR level high", several folks did so providing with specific examples of why, and providing the reasoning for the comments. We also provided constructive feedback regarding what we feel makes up a good UI in general, and one for piloting an EV in specific.
That's a far cry from "Dude, that dash sux!!1!"
Given this appears to be an inadvertent push from Tesla we don't have a lot of info to go on. Thus, you need to modulate your personal level of concern over both the UI itself, and the responses to it, appropriately.
But don't take a reasonably well-thought out response and assume that the poster doesn't realize this could not be indicative of the final product at all.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
If Tesla didn't care about the UI, they wouldn't have beta testing & solicit input from a pre-selected group of customers. They'd just use professional drivers to test the functionality and call it a day. But they don't do that.
A customizable drag and drop UI for a vehicle would be a really bad idea - 'Where did I put that button?' is not the question I want to hear the driver mumble while speeding along in heavy traffic.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
If Tesla didn't care about the UI, they wouldn't have beta testing & solicit input from a pre-selected group of customers. They'd just use professional drivers to test the functionality and call it a day. But they don't do that.
A customizable drag and drop UI for a vehicle would be a really bad idea - 'Where did I put that button?' is not the question I want to hear the driver mumble while speeding along in heavy traffic.
Well maybe not drag and drop, but offer a limited selection of pre-designed layouts.. Classic, New, Vista, etc.
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