Firmware 8.0

[Ahisaac]

I bought a car in October 2016 after enjoying a demo with excellent auto steering, adaptive cruise control, and parking. I was told my car would be delivered in December, with some features temporarily disabled until perhaps the end of the month while the company ensured everything was working smoothly with the greatly improved hardware.

I was not told the company had lost its relationship with their development partner, and would be essentially starting from scratch. So what I unintentionally bought was a kickstarter pre-alpha product.

I should have been more cautious about trusting a guy who communicates via ambiguous Tweets. That's on me. You, too, have a choice: If you find the sardonic humor of people who feel bamboozled unpleasant don't read our posts.

You're right. You should have been more cautious and a more informed buyer. I did the same thing you did and received my car in Dec too, expecting what intest drove. Only, I'm behaving like I know how to own a $145k luxury car rather than whining about it. If you don't want the car, sell or trade it in. #drivelikeuownthebitch

 

[bradhs]

I bought a car in October 2016 after enjoying a demo with excellent auto steering, adaptive cruise control, and parking. I was told my car would be delivered in December, with some features temporarily disabled until perhaps the end of the month while the company ensured everything was working smoothly with the greatly improved hardware.

I was not told the company had lost its relationship with their development partner, and would be essentially starting from scratch. So what I unintentionally bought was a kickstarter pre-alpha product.

I should have been more cautious about trusting a guy who communicates via ambiguous Tweets. That's on me. You, too, have a choice: If you find the sardonic humor of people who feel bamboozled unpleasant don't read our posts.

Not entirely true, they did not lose their relationship with their development partner. They bought new hardware from someone else and originally tried to integrate with the existing platform. That didn't work out so had do more development which takes time.

Tesla wrote their own software. Mobile Eye is/was a hardware partner. NVIDIA is a hardware partner.

 

[Saghost]

Not entirely true, they did not lose their relationship with their development partner. They bought new hardware from someone else and originally tried to integrate with the existing platform. That didn't work out so had do more development which takes time.

Tesla wrote their own software. Mobile Eye is/was a hardware partner. NVIDIA is a hardware partner.

There's a lot of Mobileye software in AP1 as well - and several sources have indicated that the original plan for AP2 included a Mobileye chip as well as the NVidia ones to smooth the transition, which Mobileye prevented from happening.

Given that, I don't think the characterization is unreasonable.

 

[bradhs]

There's a lot of Mobileye software in AP1 as well - and several sources have indicated that the original plan for AP2 included a Mobileye chip as well as the NVidia ones to smooth the transition, which Mobileye prevented from happening.

Given that, I don't think the characterization is unreasonable.

There's a lot of Mobileye drivers in AP1 and I'm sure they are programming in the Mobileye PL but it's Tesla code that Tesla owns. That's like saying Microsoft owns my program because I wrote it to support Windows. I seriously doubt Mobileye prevented having both chipsets in the car at the same time, can you image how Tesla would have managed that? No chance. All speculation I'm sure.

 

[HX_Guy]

New FW reported on Teslafi.com 17.14.23, both a HW1 and HW2 have reported it - anyone get it and have the release notes?

 

[MP3Mike]

New FW reported on Teslafi.com 17.14.23, both a HW1 and HW2 have reported it - anyone get it and have the release notes?

Since that would be a 8.1 release you might have better luck looking in the 8.1 thread: Firmware 8.1

For example this post: Firmware 8.1

 

[msnow]

New FW reported on Teslafi.com 17.14.23, both a HW1 and HW2 have reported it - anyone get it and have the release notes?

Suggest you check https://ev-fw.com/tracker.php or the 8.1 thread.

 

[Ahisaac]

New FW reported on Teslafi.com 17.14.23, both a HW1 and HW2 have reported it - anyone get it and have the release notes?

I just received the update. My car is currently in the SC (Tyco Rd, McLean, VA) for service to my steering column. Based on other reports, it looks like many owners who received this update so far are also at SCs.

 

[Trunk Gap]

17.14.23 release notes. Not sure why folks are saying they didnt get anything and there are no changes, there def are.
Not dl'd at service center, regular OTA update.

 

[drklain]

I have the favorites radio station running 17.11.3. Not sure about the other two...will have to check next time I'm in car, but I'm not sure those things were new with 17.14.23...

 

[Saghost]

I have the favorites radio station running 17.11.3. Not sure about the other two...will have to check next time I'm in car, but I'm not sure those things were new with 17.14.23...

When Tesla makes a bug fix release, they repeat the release notes of the last change, as they did here. Those are the exact same notes as 17.11.3 and 17.11.10.

 

[drklain]

That's what I suspected. @rory_breaker seemed to think there were new features released in 17.14.23 but I thought all those things he pointed out had come in 17.11.3 (as you confirmed). Just wasn't 100% sure. Thanks for confirming!

 

[theheff]

I received 17.14.23 yesterday on my S100D. Only things I've noticed so far is that AP2 seems a bit smoother (also less wiggle on the dash when stopped), and it looks like they fixed the steering wheel settings (all three settings felt like comfort mode previously).

 

[AmpedRealtor]

You're right. You should have been more cautious and a more informed buyer. I did the same thing you did and received my car in Dec too, expecting what intest drove. Only, I'm behaving like I know how to own a $145k luxury car rather than whining about it. If you don't want the car, sell or trade it in. #drivelikeuownthebitch

What does "I know how to own a $145k luxury car" mean, exactly? Does it mean you lower the bar to 6 feet under ground? Does it mean you let the company who sold you a $145k car break promises and walk all over you? Does it mean you are not allowed to feel emotional about a $145,000 vanity purchase? If behaving like you own a $145k means you become Elon Musk's whipping boy, that's on you my friend.

Not entirely true, they did not lose their relationship with their development partner. They bought new hardware from someone else and originally tried to integrate with the existing platform. That didn't work out so had do more development which takes time.

Tesla wrote their own software. Mobile Eye is/was a hardware partner. NVIDIA is a hardware partner.

Actually that's not true either. MobilEye terminated its relationship with Tesla after the deadly Autopilot accident. MobilEye CEO's statement said that Tesla was using its technology in an unapproved, therefore unsafe, manner and MobilEye had no choice but to stop supplying Tesla with hardware that was being purposely used beyond its intended purpose. This strongly implies that Tesla was taking unsafe risks with technology that was never designed to do the things Tesla was attempting to deliver. Out of concern for its own reputation, MobilEye severed its relationship with Tesla. The articles are all over the web. MobilEye was recently bought by Intel for $15B. I'd say they are doing quite well.

 

[bmah]

If you got a firmware release lately, it's almost certainly 8.1, and out of place for this thread, which is about 8.0. Try here:

Firmware 8.1

(Nevermind whether these recent releases deserve to be called 8.1, that's another issue altogether.)

Bruce.

 

[chillaban]

Actually that's not true either. MobilEye terminated its relationship with Tesla after the deadly Autopilot accident. MobilEye CEO's statement said that Tesla was using its technology in an unapproved, therefore unsafe, manner and MobilEye had no choice but to stop supplying Tesla with hardware that was being purposely used beyond its intended purpose. This strongly implies that Tesla was taking unsafe risks with technology that was never designed to do the things Tesla was attempting to deliver. Out of concern for its own reputation, MobilEye severed its relationship with Tesla. The articles are all over the web. MobilEye was recently bought by Intel for $15B. I'd say they are doing quite well.

This is probably going to derail real quickly but I'll bite:

Honestly I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Of course MobileEye would rather upsell the EyeQ4 and beyond systems which are more robust and reduce the risk to MobileEye at the expense of Tesla accepting a slower roadmap than they'd like, and Tesla buying more (expensive) hardware from a vendor.

And as soon as MobileEye saw that Tesla was investigating their own vision system, I think it's only wise of MobileEye to forbid Tesla from co-training their vision system using the EyeQ3 as backup. AI / neural-net cloning is quite easy to do, and a huge legal gray area in terms of how IP laws play into it.

Bottom line, each had their own reasons for doing what they did. And each side is telling a story that makes them sound in the right and the other sound in the wrong. With the way that MobileEye is courting other vendors and pointing to AP1 (and arguably a lot of Tesla work fine-tuning steering control loops and TACC brake ramping) as their success story, it seemed lose-lose for Tesla and MobileEye to work together any longer.

But hey, we just saw a Nissan Leaf prototype truck-lust, and the 2017 7 Series with MobileEye based lane holding seems to chicken out as soon as the lane lines start curving. I think the rational conclusion is that a lot of credit goes to both MobileEye and Tesla for how well AP1 performs. And I think both parties will take a short-term setback from breaking off the relationship, but I also believe both parties will end up fine in the long run.

 

[daviddc]

I can respect Tangible's opinion. Many people have felt/been misled along the same lines. I feel especially bad for those who leased after such representations were made.

Anyway, he adds a little sarcastic humor but nothing wrong with that in light of circumstances....

What he said...

 

[Ahisaac]

What does "I know how to own a $145k luxury car" mean, exactly? Does it mean you lower the bar to 6 feet under ground? Does it mean you let the company who sold you a $145k car break promises and walk all over you? Does it mean you are not allowed to feel emotional about a $145,000 vanity purchase? If behaving like you own a $145k means you become Elon Musk's whipping boy, that's on you my friend.


Actually that's not true either. MobilEye terminated its relationship with Tesla after the deadly Autopilot accident. MobilEye CEO's statement said that Tesla was using its technology in an unapproved, therefore unsafe, manner and MobilEye had no choice but to stop supplying Tesla with hardware that was being purposely used beyond its intended purpose. This strongly implies that Tesla was taking unsafe risks with technology that was never designed to do the things Tesla was attempting to deliver. Out of concern for its own reputation, MobilEye severed its relationship with Tesla. The articles are all over the web. MobilEye was recently bought by Intel for $15B. I'd say they are doing quite well.

Boy, you really told me. Feel better?

 

[xyeahtony]

Boy, you really told me. Feel better?

some of us feel grateful to drive a high-priced car and will enjoy whatever we have, while the rest will never be satisfied. #onepercentproblems

 

[msnow]

some of us feel grateful to drive a high-priced car and will enjoy whatever we have, while the rest will never be satisfied. #onepercentproblems

All I can say is you both missed the point @AmpedRealtor was articulating.