First 60kWH delivery notice or email - who will it be?

[Discoducky]

While it's not official, TM reps have said that the same batteries are used in the 60kWh so 60 is 70.% of 85kWh. So how much does each cell weigh and how many cells are in the 85kWh pack? ncr18650a are 46.5g each and supply 2950mAh at 3.6V then they produce 0.01062kWh each so there would need to be at least 8000 cells (is that right, I was thinking more like 7000), so that would weigh 372kg. 30% weight savings then equals 247lbs.

 

[ClearwaterBchSteve]

Just a tip: if you want to keep your VIN private, you should blank out the last four digits. Everything else can be deduced from your configuration.

Yeah, you're right about that. My VIN's pretty much public knowledge at this point anyway. So is yours since it's in your signature :wink:

 

[JRP3]

I thought Tesla was using 3.1 ah cells or higher.

 

[FredTMC]

I thought Tesla was using 3.1 ah cells or higher.

Somone said recently here (BrianH I think) that the 3.1 ah cells were used in the 85 kwh battery but the 60 kwh car uses lower capacity (cheaper, more mature) cells. Verdict is still out on this pending TM officially telling us. My assumption was same capacity cells but fewer of them in the 60 car (and lower weight). TBD.

 

[markb1]

So, who's going to be the first to supercharge a 60kWh pack? Will it still be 30 minutes for half a charge? (I suspect the rate of charge will be reduced, so the 60 and 85kWh packs take the same time.)

 

[stopcrazypp]

While it's not official, TM reps have said that the same batteries are used in the 60kWh so 60 is 70.% of 85kWh. So how much does each cell weigh and how many cells are in the 85kWh pack? ncr18650a are 46.5g each and supply 2950mAh at 3.6V then they produce 0.01062kWh each so there would need to be at least 8000 cells (is that right, I was thinking more like 7000), so that would weigh 372kg. 30% weight savings then equals 247lbs.

NCR18650A is 3100mAh typical (you used the 2950mAh minimum figure) and 45.5 grams according to three PDF datasheets (website says different now, but previously it also said 45.5 grams). That would mean 11.16Wh each and at minimum 7617 cells to reach above 85kWh. Cells alone would weigh 347kg+.

In reality the exact amount of cells would be a factor of 96 (according to a Model S diagnosis screen, there are 16 modules in the Model S with 6 blocks in series in each module, 16x6=96, 96*3.6 = 345.6V nominal battery pack). So it's either 79*96=7584 cells for 84.6kWh or 80*96=7680 cells for 85.7kWh.

http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-cgi/jvcr13pz.cgi?E+BA+3+ACA4001+NCR18650A+7+WW
https://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/pdf2/ACI4000/ACI4000CE25.pdf
http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/includes/pdf/ACA4000CE254-NCR18650A.pdf
http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/pdf2/ACA4000/ACA4000CE254.pdf

Tesla has confirmed pretty early on they will be using 3.1Ah cells:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/panasonics-3-1ah-batteries-to-be-used-in-the-tesla-model-s-hav/

It's still unknown what kind of cells the 60kWh pack uses.

NCR18650B (3400mAh) started production mid-2012 (started showing up on the market in June 2012). It's possible we might see it in the Model X, but I don't think it's likely for it to be in the 85kWh pack already (not enough time for Tesla to do testing since the first Model S rolled off the factory in the same time-frame).

 

[brianman]

I wish more people would post full VINs. My insurance agent is having a really hard time giving me an accurate quote without a full VIN.

What is your configuration?

Mods: Feel free to move this to a new thread titled something like "Artificial VINs for insurance preparation purposes" if it goes the way I think this is headed.

 

[hans]

So, who's going to be the first to supercharge a 60kWh pack? Will it still be 30 minutes for half a charge? (I suspect the rate of charge will be reduced, so the 60 and 85kWh packs take the same time.)

I did a supercharge today at Gilroy. However my pack was still quite full (153 projected miles) and so it started at only 64 Amp/333 Volt. Charged it to 190 miles (standard charge) in less than the time it took us to walk to McDonalds, eat some burgers, and walk back.

 

[grisnjam]

60 kWh res # P6136 just got my VIN 5YJSA1CG4DFP04018.

 

[timj98]

60 kWh res # P6136 just got my VIN 5YJSA1CG4DFP04018.

John, I am P#6265 with VIN 4016. What is your scheduled delivery date. Mine was 2/1-2/15 to Texas, but not sure if that changed since I got my VIN on Friday.

 

[grisnjam]

John, I am P#6265 with VIN 4016. What is your scheduled delivery date. Mine was 2/1-2/15 to Texas, but not sure if that changed since I got my VIN on Friday.

I was also 2/1 - 2/15. From the email they look to be right on track "The typical timeline for your car to be delivered from this point in the process is 2-3 weeks." ...

 

[Babylonfive]

I've been told mine is awaiting a truck to Texas.

 

[sublimaze1]

I've been told mine is awaiting a truck to Texas.

Check is in the mail, I'll have it to you by Thursday, etc. etc.

Ha! J/K -> Texas is the second populated stop east (after Phoenix) taking the southern route. So you may get on a trailer with some Fla cars too. FWIW, my driver told me that he can't carry more than five in his trailer - due to the weight on the rear two axles. He could carry a million of any other car - "but these darn Teslars are just too flippin' heavy"

- Nice to meet you this past weekend. It is just a matter of hours now.

 

[demetri]

Just got the call P4432
Vin 3877
Blue, grey leather,obeche matte, 60kWh, 19",pano,tech,sound,parcel, supercharger
Weston, CT 2/2-16 delivery. Only a few more days at factory, then delivery to east coast
Home delivery, possibly next week before the end of the month. Only need to send driver license and proof of insurance and sign the the paperwork

 

[Babylonfive]

Check is in the mail, I'll have it to you by Thursday, etc. etc.
<snip>
- Nice to meet you this past weekend. It is just a matter of hours now.

My wife kept saying... wow that blue is niiiiice.

 

[GasDoc]

I got tired of seeing later P number post their delivery windows so I called Tesla and they said I already had a delivery window of 2/16-3/2 in their system. The representative updated their system and I got my long awaited Red button!

She said it doesn't hurt to call them and check up.

 

[Kipernicus]

Got the email today to schedule delivery! Going to the factory on Saturday 1/26 at 9am.

 

[petero]

I believe what you were told is true. My P# is about 1,000 higher than yours, and mine is being manufactured now to be delivered in So. CA on or before 2/2.

 

[gg_got_a_tesla]

Got the email today to schedule delivery! Going to the factory on Saturday 1/26 at 9am.

Congrats, Kip! Seeya soon.

 

[giants2001]

picked up today at 1pm. Stopped by Gilroy SC and topped off while the family did some shopping. This car rocks. Worth the wait!