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FSD Beta in the UK?
- Thread starter Zilla91
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I’m surprised Tesla still get away with calling it FSD. it is not self driving now and whether it ever will be in the future has not been proved. Musk’s predictions and timelines have been disastrously wrong over and over again. To call vapourware that is apparently in permanent beta “full self driving “ is clearly farcical.
I can't help but keep running Tesla's position through my head......
FSD, the whole concept of OTA updates, marketing by 'sound bite' / tweet / video clip and 3rd party inference especially when it relates to a pretty big divergence from normal cars is a scenario riddled with opportunity for constructive misdirection to Tesla's advantage.
I don't ever recall Tesla releasing a new (software) feature on the basis that it doesn't apply to cars prior to a certain date. Why would they, since it somewhat negates the OTA update message of 'always up to date'. Of course, the words are so ambiguous since they can be used to imply your car is kept in-line with current models, but if challenged, needs mean no more than 'your car has what it's entitled to' which is no different to most cars!
Since Tesla have complete control over OTA, while owners just 'accept on trust' it is far more useful for Tesla than guaranteed benefit to owners. Especially if you want to reach any kind of closure with purchased FSD. Almost the only sure thing you can cling to is that 'it' is called FSD!
The fact that OTA allows the time frame and obligations of 'delivery' to become so blurred that Tesla, left unchallenged, can act with impunity imo means that if they so chose, Tesla could kick the can down the road for a while then just claim 'that's it, you've got what you paid for'!
I'm not aware either of a location / market specific set of marketing claims. Only disclaimers. Disclaimers and small print are not the primary place to clearly set out what is being offered in a contract. So at the moment FSB's status and dicussion is often linked to the US only and based on US conventions.
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I think thats the conclusion California have reached and why they're stopping them
There are a few double negatives in your statement so not exactly sure which way you're leaning, but there are plenty of software updates that aren't in certain cars because of hardware limitations and where Tesla have chosen not to build for the older tech. While the cut off isn't an arbitary date, with the constant evolution of hardware there are plenty of effective cut over dates. It started with Sentry mode, but I'm fairly sure there have been a number since.
Sorry about multiple negatives!
Tesla don't say "latest remote viewing of video from app - only on cars post dd/mm/yy." They leave it to owners to guess what they might get and enthusiastic prospective owners to assume they get it all courtesy of OTA updates and endless misdirection.
Without OTA, the 'it's coming real soon' message isn't as plausible or alluring.
Ahhh. The secret of relatively safe posting!
Ambiguity is not the sole province of Tesla!
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Bobby_Dazzler
Member
Some news today from
Elon via Twitter of course on Single stack in the EU :-
v11.3 (single stack) goes to limited beta this week. Probably 11.3.2 before wide release in North America.
Then we adapt for EU roads & submit to regulators. 90% of what we’ve done so far for NA applies WW.
Elon via Twitter of course on Single stack in the EU :-
v11.3 (single stack) goes to limited beta this week. Probably 11.3.2 before wide release in North America.
Then we adapt for EU roads & submit to regulators. 90% of what we’ve done so far for NA applies WW.
Bobby_Dazzler
Member
Maybe just improvements on EAP like auto lane change - it’s pretty shoddy at present with far too many suggested lane changes - I ignore most of them and stay in lane 3 of a 4 lane motorway (unless the inside lanes are really empty)
goRt
Active Member
After years of Musk being disastrously wrong in his predictions and timelines for FSD does anyone believe or trust a word he says?
But he said this release would be out at the end of this week, last week.
Sean.
Active Member
Can someone please explain single stack here to a non software developer?
Im just a networking simpleton used to the OSI 7 layer model or “stack”
I don’t trust or believe him. His credibility was blown out of the water many years ago. It amazes me that so many people hang on to his every word and treat him like some demigod.
Dunno. Maybe Type Approval? I guess if all our cars were no longer Type Approved as a result of OTA there would be issues? MOT failure? Insurance validity? If it no longer complied with its certificate of conformance Tesla might have a liability (think VW reprogramming and dieselgate).
goRt
Active Member
At the moment in NA on FSDb they have one software stack in town and then that hands over to a different software stack on highwaysCan someone please explain single stack here to a non software developer?
Im just a networking simpleton used to the OSI 7 layer model or “stack”
The "plan" is to move the advanced town software to all roads, promised for early last year with 1 week of internal testing and one to the beta group - and here we are.
The single stack was originally known as Tesla vision, but that got used when he ran out of radars
Sean.
Active Member
What’s the score now we’ve fully left the EU with respect to these sorts of type approvals?
Do they automagically apply in the UK or does some synod or quango here need to give its blessing too?
Do they automagically apply in the UK or does some synod or quango here need to give its blessing too?
I suspect they will need to apply to some government agency.
I worked on one of these sort of new parallel systems for the post Brexit world for licensing since you now need to do that kind of thing twice now, one for the EU and one for the UK.
A great money maker for me personally but I'll let you, as the tax payer, decide if it was a good use of public money or not...
I worked on one of these sort of new parallel systems for the post Brexit world for licensing since you now need to do that kind of thing twice now, one for the EU and one for the UK.
A great money maker for me personally but I'll let you, as the tax payer, decide if it was a good use of public money or not...
