Easy. Did you pay for FSD Capabilities? Then you get FSD Beta early access, if you opt in. Therefore it's part of what you paid for. Simple logic. Might wanna see to that. You know, logic.Again, I didn't complain in any of the posts you've replied to here. I only mentioned- once- that L2 city streets isn't what I paid for. Because it's factually not.
So I suppose the obvious answer to your question above is no
In fact you appear to be doing far more "complaining" in your replies than I did in the original post you seem to have taken unfounded issue with. Might wanna see to that.
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Knightshade
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That's...not actual logic.
Giving me something that wasn't even in the original order agreement isn't "what I paid for" at all.
If it was part of what I paid for it wouldn't require additional "opt in" either.
You seem determined to be mad about arguments that only exist in your own head. Kinda weird.
What was paid for is in the purchase contract. Tesla calls it FSD but they detail what that entails in the purchase contract. If someone believes Tesla is in breach of contract then that someone can sue them or arbitrate or mediate...whatever the contract requires and I'm sure they vary by state based on specific state law.
I have not seen the contract but my guess is it lists some things which you have access to now and some things in the future. There is probably no mention of beta testing in the contract so participation in that process is a bonus and exclusion from that process is not a breach of contract. Make no mistake that smart Tesla lawyers wrote that contract and are providing council to Tesla every step of the way.
I have not seen the contract but my guess is it lists some things which you have access to now and some things in the future. There is probably no mention of beta testing in the contract so participation in that process is a bonus and exclusion from that process is not a breach of contract. Make no mistake that smart Tesla lawyers wrote that contract and are providing council to Tesla every step of the way.
Knightshade
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I legit can't figure out the point to a single post you've made on this.
You seem mad about a bunch of complaints I never actually made but you claimed I did, and have invented some kind of argument that never happened to keep being upset about.... whatever it is you're so upset about....
Time to switch to decaf maybe?
I drink decaf, but that's none of your business. Thanks for a very valuable and informative post saying that you received something you didn't pay for. Which we all received. Which we all paid for. You're special. Elon loves you.
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It's only been a year or so before Tesla's stock really took off. It was dicey for ~10 years as it was under constant attack from the usuals.
The narratives have been changing, but people still claim that Tesla doesn't make a profit on vehicles.
Yup. That short interest used to be a LOT larger.
The narratives have been changing, but people still claim that Tesla doesn't make a profit on vehicles.
Yup. That short interest used to be a LOT larger.
EVNow
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In general most FSD beta testers are putting the car in obviously difficult conditions
- unprotected left turns into fast roads
- construction zones
Seems to me FSD Beta handles normal sub-urban driving just fine. It will struggle in high density places like downtowns, construction areas and busy unprotected left turns. I can live with that.
This x 1000. I am confident it could handle the wide, well marked and relatively uncrowded roads in my neighborhood no problem.
Elon Musk says Tesla shouldn't have an NDA for its Full Self-Driving Beta
Elon Musk says Tesla shouldn’t have a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) for its Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta testers. Yesterday, we reported...
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Is Elon aware he runs the company?
EVNow
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Musk knows more about his company than any other large company CEO.Elon Musk says Tesla shouldn't have an NDA for its Full Self-Driving Beta
Elon Musk says Tesla shouldn’t have a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) for its Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta testers. Yesterday, we reported...
Is Elon aware he runs the company?
Knightshade
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Elon Musk says Tesla shouldn't have an NDA for its Full Self-Driving Beta
Elon Musk says Tesla shouldn’t have a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) for its Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta testers. Yesterday, we reported...
Is Elon aware he runs the company?
Sure.
But he doesn't personally make every legal and contract decision for it.
Are you aware Tesla is a large company, not 5 guys in a garage or something?
BTW- did you know Waymo makes passengers sign NDAs? Why aren't you "concerned" about that?
Tesla is showing their dirty laundry with FSD way more than any other company's advanced driver assistance systems.
You can still be fired for doing something unadvisable, even if you own and run the company.Elon Musk says Tesla shouldn't have an NDA for its Full Self-Driving Beta
Elon Musk says Tesla shouldn’t have a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) for its Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta testers. Yesterday, we reported...
Is Elon aware he runs the company?
2 week release cycles is very quick and hard for everyone and nobody is really getting paid for this. There's some YouTube and Patreon money, but these guys have relatively small audiences so I don't think thats paying the bills.
Also, FSDbeta is working better so the content generators need to find new unique problem areas to keep their viewership up. Using FSD should be akin to watching paint dry just like using AP on freeways. Unfortunately, the FSDbeta testers are effectively helping Tesla erode their niche on YouTube.
Also, FSDbeta is working better so the content generators need to find new unique problem areas to keep their viewership up. Using FSD should be akin to watching paint dry just like using AP on freeways. Unfortunately, the FSDbeta testers are effectively helping Tesla erode their niche on YouTube.
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