Are you sure you got strikes, and that FSD didn't just disengage? During this drive you stopped and put the vehicle in park three times, in heavy fog? (Since once you get a strike you have to go into park before you could use FSD again and earn another strike.)
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking 12.4.x is coming autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass elon rocks fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd doesn't read signs properly fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd stops when there is zero visibility fsd tailgating in city streets fsd very slow at stops fsd will never enable l3 with hw4
How? I’m always going to have at least a third of the screen taken up by a video of my car driving, right?
I’m not disputing that you have a good experience. There’s plenty of people who have good experiences, also plenty of people with different expectations or wants/needs. One thing we have in common is that we like Tesla cars, but just that alone doesn’t necessarily mean that we’ll agree on all of its features.
My expectations were similar to Tesla’s 5 year old video. I sit there with hands on my lap not touching the steering wheel and the car takes me places. There was nothing about a cabin camera watching what I do, or having to satisfy any sorts of steering wheel nags. If Tesla did not want me to have those expectations - they shouldn’t have made that video.
At the end of the day, my opinion and nicknames for the beta do not anyhow affect anyone else’s experience with it so I can’t understand why it’s so offensive. The only reasoning I can come up with is that they’re trying to defend something they like with an unreasonable expectation that everyone else has to feel the same way or have the same experience as them. I don’t get offended if others don’t think it’s junk, because it might not be to them.
I think he might have 3 or Y and is referring to it taking up the space on the left side of their main screen. Turning off the FSD visualizer will just give him the shitty version of it, still taking up the same amount of space.
You seem to be conflating the new Spring Update display with the standard display.
You even said it "was fun for a few days". The standard display has basically been the same (⅓ reserved for system) since the first Model 3 was sold in 2017.
Hmmm. I wonder if this has anything to do with the stop in deployments....
Everyone will be moved up to 24.14.9 within a few more days. There almost always a delay in bringing the last people over. Sucks to be bringing up the end but we have all been there before.
It seems many people didn’t expect FSD-Supervised to ever exist, and were expecting to go from Beta to the product Tesla advertised.
10 to 1 that is AP. There is no such thing as Self Driving Mode.
Agreed. Also I don't think they would have Tesla confirmation this quickly post incident. I'm guessing this is based on what the driver of Tesla claimed at the time of accident. I'm sensing some BS on this but we'll see as details emerge.
No need to turn off. Just swipe to the left to see the full map and the narrow visualization screen. I don't know why Tesla added that turn on/off option.
That’s also assuming he doesn’t have an Intel model 3/Y which did not get the new UI.
The role of the camera of course evolved because actual robotaxis have not been realized, and I doubt Elon is happy about being here all these years later and the users are just glad it can be used to make the nags a bit less onerous.Maybe that was the role of the camera in very early release, but it had changed a while back. The attention detection NN was added a long time ago (variables found way back in 2020), and since then, IR lights have been added and the latest version changed the angle so that the driver's hands could be seen.
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I'm not saying Elon wouldn't jump at it if NHTSA would allow hands free even without camera detection, but obviously they did not. I'm not sure if you were aware but NHTSA looked into it immediately after Elon made the tweet about releasing hands free mode. This is likely why it took so long for the feature to actually be released.
As for adding a dedicated camera, I find that extremely unlikely. Elon is on record as against "unnecessary" parts (see wiper detection, radar/USS removal, stalk removal, etc). They will likely just continually optimize the cabin camera for dual use. I was initially skeptical using the cabin camera would satisfy NHTSA, but unless they clamp down, looks like so far it is ok.
As for forum attitudes on camera based detection, although I am personally fine using the wheel nag system, I have said before that camera based detection is a better mechanism. The wheel nag complaints have been pretty long running here in the forums. Camera detection comes with its own trade-offs, but it may help address those complaints.
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One can drive to the local Tesla SC and use their free wifi, which I have done a few times this year. But most times I don’t want to drive the 17 minutes to that facility because the final one km long access road to that facility also is the main feeder road for a huge gravel pit…and any...teslamotorsclub.com
The cabin camera requirements (no sunglasses, limited functionality in the dark, hats with brims etc) exist because of the camera position and type. I didn’t think they would be able to get rid of the wheel torque requirement at all because of this stuff, but at least they found a way to build it in with these restrictions.
I wouldn’t be shocked to find us here years later talking about how Tesla is now putting IR cameras directly in the driver’s line of sight and the cabin camera restrictions being lifted as a result.
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gottagofast
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If they were moving everyone from 3.25 to the spring update it would have happened by now, some are obviously being saved for 12.4
Thanks. I wasn't suggesting Tesla caused a fatal accident. Summary of article... Cop car responding to an earlier fatal accident was hit by a Tesla "allegedly" on "self drive" where the driver admitted to being on their cell phone.
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I should note IR camera even in the line of sight is does not mean sunglasses will work. GM's system for Supercruise which is that configuration does not work with certain types of sunglasses:
Same issues reported with Blue Cruise with the same layout:
I've watched a video that the FSD handsfree mode works with transition lenses (which from above thread people also reported success with). I suspect the limitations are going to be very similar, especially when the cabin camera uses IR mode (for the vehicles equipped with it) and that the angle doesn't play as big a role as people may think.
The wheel nag fall back will probably need to remain (I'm glad there is this option unlike the other systems that may disable if the eye detection doesn't work).
