FSD v12.x (end to end AI)

[AlanSubie4Life]

Commute:
8 miles, 6 disengagements (2 safety)
10-12 interventions.
(v12.3)

Robotaxi?

 

[j0shm1lls]

Where is that 24.3.5 X BRANDON?

lol... the Tesla DC called me yesterday and told me they had to push delivery back a bit since it was still in transit. I have a message out to them to see if I can still get it today or if I'm gonna have to wait until tomorrow afternoon. I'm so impatient.

 

[KLam]

Dam, it happened to me. 12.3 got curb rash below side skirt.

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It just casually went over the curb no hesitation to make room for traffic.

Thankfully the damage appears to be cosmetic and the lower side metal just got scratched looks like.

Why do you let FSDb drive in the parking lot? Which usually have very sharp curb angles! Have you been following posts here which already mentioned that 12.3 have a tendency to cut corners? From my experience 12.3.1 do a little better, but I would still watch out on normal right turns and certainly not let 12.3.1 to drive in the parking lot.

 

[enemji]

Commute:
8 miles, 6 disengagements (2 safety)
10-12 interventions.

Robotaxi?

damn... I have had 120 miles with 0 disengagements.

I have also had 10 miles with 2 disengagements owing to a crazy diamond intersection where it could not figure out how to continue going straight - in this case on parker road from right to left.

 

[j0shm1lls]

@j0shm1lls is your delivery today? Perhaps you can report back if a FSD demo drive is required with your new or demo vehicle and what software is on each.

potentially late today, if not then tomorrow.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

the damage appears to be cosmetic and the lower side metal just got scratched looks like.

Yeah that is no big deal; the metal part is just the edge of the battery pack, which is basically indestructible. Kind of a built-in rock slider.

No one will care if that’s a little scuffed up.

I warned people about this when I saw Omar’s curb kiss a couple weeks ago.

 

[Ramphex]

Elon has referred to SAE levels many times. He once said he's not interested in L3. He said it should be L4 or L5 by X date. That's how everyone refers to driver automation.

Also Tesla, corporate, categorized FSD as a L2 system.

In two weeks

 

[enemji]

Elon has referred to SAE levels many times. He once said he's not interested in L3. He said it should be L4 or L5 by X date. That's how everyone refers to driver automation.

Also Tesla, corporate, categorized FSD as a L2 system.

Links to documents/videos where he has said so. Please.

 

[Ramphex]

Then there's the enforcement issue. If you're happily FaceTiming while the car drives, no police officer in North America is going to let you drive off. They have no idea whether your car is using an autonomy system that has been NHTSA-approved for unsupervised use. Or, in layman's terms, that dog ain't gonna hunt, son.

I mentioned this earlier, got some SAE lecture, and something about Nevada so I gave up. Have fun with this up hill battle

 

[Supcom]

Then there's the enforcement issue. If you're happily FaceTiming while the car drives, no police officer in North America is going to let you drive off. They have no idea whether your car is using an autonomy system that has been NHTSA-approved for unsupervised use. Or, in layman's terms, that dog ain't gonna hunt, son.

This is probably why Mercedes, I believe, implemented a particular colored light on the exterior of the car that comes on when the car is in L3 mode. Presumably, this will alert the police that you are OK with playing with your phone. If any current Tesla becomes L3+ perhaps Tesla could implement some sort of pulsing side/rear lights or other visual indicator.

 

[Daniel in SD]

Links to documents/videos where he has said so. Please.

https://www.plainsite.org/documents/2jq1jw/california-dmv-tesla-followup-emails/

Of course Tesla is lying and FSD beta is actually L5 (beta of course) but we don’t need to have that argument again.

 

[JulienW]

https://www.plainsite.org/documents/2jq1jw/california-dmv-tesla-followup-emails/

Of course Tesla is lying and FSD beta is actually L5 (beta of course) but we don’t need to have that argument again.

....but didn't enemji tell Tesla that SAE was just Yelp. So why in a legal document would Tesla say FSD Beta was just SAE L2?

It was also covered by the press.

 

[TK211X]

Yeah that is no big deal; it is just the edge of the battery pack, which is basically indestructible. Kind of a built-in rock slider.

No one will care if that’s a little scuffed up.

Thanks, I felt insanely lucky.

The sound I heard in the vehicle felt like it was rocker panel body damage. I parked and got out already expecting the worst but was insanely relieved.

Cleaned the area with 30% vinegar just now and gave it a good inspection, you're right. No visible damage unless you raise the car and look specifically at the one section.

 

[Knightshade]

AFAIK, he has verbally not spoken of FSD conforming to any of the SAE levels. He might have said yes or no in an interview, but he has not spoken the words L1, L2, L3 L4 or L5 to describe FSD.

Can you explain the actual difference between:


Elon: Our system will be SAE Level 5.

and:

Interviewer: Will your system be SAE level 5?
Elon: Yes.



Because you seem to think there is one- but there seems no rational reason for thinking such a thing.

 

[kpanda17]

we have 3x Ts and in our family the rule is wide turns, lets get FSD v12 to do wide turns
put my driving in the video library for the AI/NN to use

 

[TK211X]

Why do you let FSDb drive in the parking lot? Which usually have very sharp curb angles! Have you been following posts here which already mentioned that 12.3 have a tendency to cut corners? From my experience 12.3.1 do a little better, but I would still watch out on normal right turns and certainly not let 12.3.1 to drive in the parking lot.

I definitely have higher risk tolerance and calmer nerves. This snuck up on me because each time I exercised extreme caution near curbs it cleared it each time, just very very closely.

I complacently let it proceed and luckily got away without real damage.

 

[Ramphex]

Thanks, I felt insanely lucky.

The sound I heard in the vehicle felt like it was rocker panel body damage. I parked and got out already expecting the worst but was insanely relieved.

Cleaned the area with 30% vinegar just now and gave it a good inspection, you're right. No visible damage unless you raise the car and look specifically at the one section.

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Was there…. bacteria?

 

[stopcrazypp]

Can you explain the actual difference between:


Elon: Our system will be SAE Level 5.

and:

Interviewer: Will your system be SAE level 5?
Elon: Yes.



Because you seem to think there is one- but there seems no rational reason for thinking such a thing.

Because usually it's not that straightforward. If I remember correctly, they usually are talking about something else and there are other qualifiers or other things that make the interpretation much less clear. It's kind of like how surveys can ask leading questions, and the news reports would write about results in misleading way, when if you look at the actual exact survey question, the actual meaning/connotations is not quite the same.

Just getting the exact quote of the questions and answers is important, not just paraphrasing or people straight up making things up.

 

[JulienW]

I definitely have higher risk tolerance and calmer nerves. This snuck up on me because each time I exercised extreme caution near curbs it cleared it each time, just very very closely.

I complacently let it proceed and luckily got away without real damage.

Looks like it made an awful noise.

 

[TK211X]

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Looks like 2024.3.6 is FSD Beta 12.3.2.1 going to at least demo / test drive vehicles:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1bp33zp/123_rolling_on_2024

Not spotted on TeslaFi yet while Teslascope shows one upgrading from 2024.2.100, so this should cover new deliveries on factory builds. Looks like deploy quickly with many versions and merge together later?

@j0shm1lls is your delivery today? Perhaps you can report back if a FSD demo drive is required with your new or demo vehicle and what software is on each.

If the email was real that dictated vehicles post service to receive 12.3.1 and currently 12.3.2.1 is out then it's entirely possible opening a ticket or getting on service WiFi to check for an update could trigger it to be pushed to your car.

I did this yesterday but looks like it was S/X only.

I'll actually drive out there today and try it again now that a confirmed 3/Y version is out.