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There is no TLDR; when it comes to this. there is no one piece of advice. If you're interested, please give my experience and advice a read.

I've seen many, many, many, people complain about the safety score program. and most of the time, it's due to just not understanding the process required to do well. Hopefully this helps people and they don't just argue like everyone seems to love. I've now driven 21,500 miles with a safety score since opting in 1/5/22. My first month of learning my car and the score system, I had a 97. As scores rolled off, In the second month, I hit 100 and it's been basically perfect since. So If everyone wants to argue, my score is my response.

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There are important things to remember.

The Safety Score process is training you for FSD beta, and to be the type of driver they want testing the beta. Not everything it considers good/bad, is what WE would consider good/bad driving.

If you're going to get a single thing from reading this, let it be this:
The 3 second window after disengaging AP/NoA is your best friend. Your score is NOT impacted for those 3 seconds. This is what allows you to pass other cars without worry of a FCW, use your brakes if actually needed, and take a turn a little sharper than the system would like if needed. Pressing your brake pedal or tapping up on the stalk disengages everything, and the countdown begins. engage AP before 3 seconds is over if it puts you close to another car ahead of you.
USE IT APPROPRIATELY as is is a valuable tool.


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1. Requirements, that if you dont do, you can't complain about having a bad score. It's on you:

- READ TESLAS SAFETY SCORE FAQ. It's very technical, but important to attempt to understand.
- NEVER use TACC (Single stalk press), only use AP (Double stalk press).
- Turn on stop sign and stop light control.
- Turn on auto lane change without confirmation (Where possible)
- Set your forward collision warning to medium. this is what the system uses.
- If there are no lane lines on the edges of the road, or a non-solid shoulder, this becomes harder. use AP less.
- TRUST YOUR CAR and be ready to take over
- The goal is to let your car drive as much as possible. 90%+ of my drives are on AP/NoA. Aim for that %.

Everything can ding your score while using TACC, even though logically, letting the car control the speed should be counted as the car driving, not you... it is what it is. TACC brakes harder than you're allowed to (Especially if you have stop sign and stop light recognition turned on), and TACC can follow too closely over 50mph even at max following distance.
2. Hard Braking-

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This weighs heavily on your score. do NOT neglect this. It is hard to fix on the same drive where you knew you screwed up. Fixing this requires manual braking multiple times during your drive, and knowing very well, what your car considers hard braking.

The main culprits are yellow lights or being cut off... just double tap the stalk and engage AP. the car can brake hard and fast for yellow lights without impacting your score, and it has never once failed me or gone through a red light. Trust your car on this. If someone has their blinker on, or their tire crosses over into your alanewhile above 50mph, double tap the stalk, let the car handle it. your score wont be impacted. this is a hard one for people as it really relies on you trusting you vehicle. but give it a chance, and over time you'll get used to it.

ONLY use your brake pedal for fixing your hard braking score. I've never had regenerative braking ding my score, even on the strongest setting.

3. Aggressive turning -

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This takes some practice, but if you dont want to always use AP/NoA, when there is a yellow speed suggestion sign on curves, those signs are generally (90% of the time from my experience) telling you the speed that the road agency's know will cause your car to not go over a certain amount of G forces on the turn. Those speeds are meant for your average vehicle, with bad tires, because people are dumb and dont maintain their cars.Those speeds/G forces, line up with what Tesla says it aggressive turning. It's an interesting technical read if you feel like learning about it. especially on cloverleafs and highway exits Methods for Establishing Advisory Speed .


You should honestly just use NoA to handle exits and curves. it will slow down to the appropriate speed, maybe a little slower, but your score will be protected.

4. Forward Collision Warnings -

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This one is tricky... it's true that every now and then it will think a shadow is threat. or coming over a bit of a hill where it cant see the road curving after, it can go off. that's purely because it only has a split second to decide what's going to happen, and the car plays it safe. That is not really an error in the software. It's a good thing, but not for our scores. This is another reason to use AP or NoA as often as possible... even on city streets with lights and traffic. again, the safety score system is trying to get you used to using AP as much as possible, ready to take over when needed once you have the beta.

If you are accelerating, while someone within ~10 car lengths of you is decelerating, this will go off. AP and NoA are really the only way to avoid this consistently, since even if it goes off, nothing is scored while using AP/NoA

Another huge thing to consider with FCW's is the amount miles you drive as it factors this is as if you drove 1000 miles. If you drive 5 miles in a day, and get a FCW, that is like getting 200 FCW's in 100 miles. Maxing out this number to 101.9 for your day. I drive 150-350 miles a day so if I get a FCW, it usually ends up as a 4-7 for me instead of that 101.9 you would get driving short distances. This makes it very hard to get this number reduced after screwing up since most people drive less than 50 miles a day.

Bottom line with this one, is be hyper aware of cars ahead of you, and cars entering the roadway. stay out of the right lane incase someone brakes hard to go into a parking lot, or almost misses a turn.

Fortunately, these honestly will only take your score down 2-3% if you dont drive a lot. if you drive a lot, it'll take a 100 down to 99. not the end of the world.

Have I mentioned to just always use AP/NoA?

5. Unsafe Following-

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This one is pretty simple once you understand it, and once again, relies on just using AP/NoA. But the key is remembering that it doesnt count until you hit 50MPH. most people get dinged on this at hwy/fwy onramps by not engaging AP until they are on the fwy/hwy in the left lane. I usually engage around 40-45mph on the ramp. Our cars are VERY good at merging into traffic safely. it will speed up or slow down properly, and merge well. it CAN have problems if the lane lines are funky at the point of merging. Sometimes it will put the blinker on and try to go to the next lane over immediately if the fwy/hwy left lane line goes away quickly and the merge section is long, causing you to skip the lane youre merging into. When that's the case, turn your blinker off after your car turns it on, and it'll merge properly.

The struggle here that causes people to complain "The score is broken! I didn't follow closely 30% of my drive blah blah blah," is that the time/% it considers is ONLY when there is actually a car ahead of you, in the 1-3 second range. so if you have a bad following moment, and then there is never a car ahead of you while going >50mph for the rest of your drive, your score is screwed. If you are closely behind someone for 3 seconds, and then at the proper distance for 7 seconds before they are out of your lane or farther ahead of you, then this score is only based on 3 seconds of driving close, out of the 10 seconds total of being a behind that car at a proper distance. Boom. 30% close following for your entire drive. even if you drove 1000 miles.

When driving around 65-80mph, the perfect distance is when on the screens visuallization, the lead car is touching the end of the NoA single path line, or the end of the AP dual path lines. Unsafe following distance changes based on speed, as it should for a person who's driving manually. That line does adjust because the visualization zooms out when going fast, and zooms in when going slow. sometimes its hard to notice this because we don't watch the zoom change while driving. use the line/s.

This ones extremely easy to fix through your drive when you know the maneuver you just did is going to count against you. Follow the end of the lead line rule. purposefully put yourself behind cars to fix your score.

Final Thoughts

The safety score program is not perfect., but it is not hard either once you understand it. It's actually been a really interesting, teaching tool when it comes to me learning the way my car handles and thinks. Also, forcing me to use AP/NoA basically always, has taught me to really trust my car after seeing so many maneuvers I wasn't sure it could handle, being done perfectly.

I'll be happy to update this as I remember more advice... kinda wrote this in a one off spontaneously.

Treat it like a game. Aim for a high score. MAKE it fun. Hopefully they add more of us to the beta program soon, and if you're reading this for Tesla Insurance reason, enjoy the extra cash in your pocket.
 
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Interesting take. I maintained a 100 while it showed but almost never used AP. I didn't find it very difficult. The only thing I did do different was to backoff on the curves that I love to take fast. I think that if you can't maintain a 100 or close it with your normal driving, you should not be given the software until it is safe (i.e. general public release). The current software just is not good enough to give to people who can't control themselves enough to safely for a period of time.
 
Fascinating write up and details. Many thanks.

Tesla is often very data-driven. I find myself reading the way they're determining these "safety scores" and thinking that even a half hearted attempt at seeing if the score elements actually correlate to observed safety would probably fail, and would also turn up other driver behavior measurements which DO correlate to risk of accidents. With all their AI, and with them selling their own insurance, I wonder/hope they would refine or reconsider the wisdom of dinging people for braking at yellow lights and such.
 
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There is no TLDR; when it comes to this. there is no one piece of advice. If you're interested, please give my experience and advice a read.

I've seen many, many, many, people complain about the safety score program. and most of the time, it's due to just not understanding the process required to do well. Hopefully this helps people and they don't just argue like everyone seems to love. I've now driven 21,500 miles with a safety score since opting in 1/5/22. My first month of learning my car and the score system, I had a 97. As scores rolled off, In the second month, I hit 100 and it's been basically perfect since. So If everyone wants to argue, my score is my response.

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There are important things to remember.

The Safety Score process is training you for FSD beta, and to be the type of driver they want testing the beta. Not everything it considers good/bad, is what WE would consider good/bad driving.

If you're going to get a single thing from reading this, let it be this:
The 3 second window after disengaging AP/NoA is your best friend. Your score is NOT impacted for those 3 seconds. This is what allows you to pass other cars without worry of a FCW, use your brakes if actually needed, and take a turn a little sharper than the system would like if needed. Pressing your brake pedal or tapping up on the stalk disengages everything, and the countdown begins. engage AP before 3 seconds is over if it puts you close to another car ahead of you.
USE IT APPROPRIATELY as is is a valuable tool.


Sign up with Teslascope.com to get better breakdowns like the one above as well as other awesome info. It’s free for a month with the above link, then $3/mo after the trial if you like it. No payment info needed to start a trial. We are all data/information nerds here basically. I’m signed up with multiple services, but they are my favorite.

1. Requirements, that if you dont do, you can't complain about having a bad score. It's on you:

- READ TESLAS SAFETY SCORE FAQ. It's very technical, but important to attempt to understand.
- NEVER use TACC (Single stalk press), only use AP (Double stalk press).
- Turn on stop sign and stop light control.
- Turn on auto lane change without confirmation (Where possible)
- Set your forward collision warning to medium. this is what the system uses.
- If there are no lane lines on the edges of the road, or a non-solid shoulder, this becomes harder. use AP less.
- TRUST YOUR CAR and be ready to take over
- The goal is to let your car drive as much as possible. 90%+ of my drives are on AP/NoA. Aim for that %.

Everything can ding your score while using TACC, even though logically, letting the car control the speed should be counted as the car driving, not you... it is what it is. TACC brakes harder than you're allowed to (Especially if you have stop sign and stop light recognition turned on), and TACC can follow too closely over 50mph even at max following distance.
2. Hard Braking-

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This weighs heavily on your score. do NOT neglect this. It is hard to fix on the same drive where you knew you screwed up. Fixing this requires manual braking multiple times during your drive, and knowing very well, what your car considers hard braking.

The main culprits are yellow lights or being cut off... just double tap the stalk and engage AP. the car can brake hard and fast for yellow lights without impacting your score, and it has never once failed me or gone through a red light. Trust your car on this. If someone has their blinker on, or their tire crosses over into your alanewhile above 50mph, double tap the stalk, let the car handle it. your score wont be impacted. this is a hard one for people as it really relies on you trusting you vehicle. but give it a chance, and over time you'll get used to it.

ONLY use your brake pedal for fixing your hard braking score. I've never had regenerative braking ding my score, even on the strongest setting.

3. Aggressive turning -

View attachment 809137
This takes some practice, but if you dont want to always use AP/NoA, when there is a yellow speed suggestion sign on curves, those signs are generally (90% of the time from my experience) telling you the speed that the road agency's know will cause your car to not go over a certain amount of G forces on the turn. Those speeds are meant for your average vehicle, with bad tires, because people are dumb and dont maintain their cars.Those speeds/G forces, line up with what Tesla says it aggressive turning. It's an interesting technical read if you feel like learning about it. especially on cloverleafs and highway exits Methods for Establishing Advisory Speed .


You should honestly just use NoA to handle exits and curves. it will slow down to the appropriate speed, maybe a little slower, but your score will be protected.

4. Forward Collision Warnings -

View attachment 809138

This one is tricky... it's true that every now and then it will think a shadow is threat. or coming over a bit of a hill where it cant see the road curving after, it can go off. that's purely because it only has a split second to decide what's going to happen, and the car plays it safe. That is not really an error in the software. It's a good thing, but not for our scores. This is another reason to use AP or NoA as often as possible... even on city streets with lights and traffic. again, the safety score system is trying to get you used to using AP as much as possible, ready to take over when needed once you have the beta.

If you are accelerating, while someone within ~10 car lengths of you is decelerating, this will go off. AP and NoA are really the only way to avoid this consistently, since even if it goes off, nothing is scored while using AP/NoA

Another huge thing to consider with FCW's is the amount miles you drive as it factors this is as if you drove 1000 miles. If you drive 5 miles in a day, and get a FCW, that is like getting 200 FCW's in 100 miles. Maxing out this number to 101.9 for your day. I drive 150-350 miles a day so if I get a FCW, it usually ends up as a 4-7 for me instead of that 101.9 you would get driving short distances. This makes it very hard to get this number reduced after screwing up since most people drive less than 50 miles a day.

Bottom line with this one, is be hyper aware of cars ahead of you, and cars entering the roadway. stay out of the right lane incase someone brakes hard to go into a parking lot, or almost misses a turn.

Fortunately, these honestly will only take your score down 2-3% if you dont drive a lot. if you drive a lot, it'll take a 100 down to 99. not the end of the world.

Have I mentioned to just always use AP/NoA?

5. Unsafe Following-

View attachment 809141

This one is pretty simple once you understand it, and once again, relies on just using AP/NoA. But the key is remembering that it doesnt count until you hit 50MPH. most people get dinged on this at hwy/fwy onramps by not engaging AP until they are on the fwy/hwy in the left lane. I usually engage around 40-45mph on the ramp. Our cars are VERY good at merging into traffic safely. it will speed up or slow down properly, and merge well. it CAN have problems if the lane lines are funky at the point of merging. Sometimes it will put the blinker on and try to go to the next lane over immediately if the fwy/hwy left lane line goes away quickly and the merge section is long, causing you to skip the lane youre merging into. When that's the case, turn your blinker off after your car turns it on, and it'll merge properly.

The struggle here that causes people to complain "The score is broken! I didn't follow closely 30% of my drive blah blah blah," is that the time/% it considers is ONLY when there is actually a car ahead of you, in the 1-3 second range. so if you have a bad following moment, and then there is never a car ahead of you while going >50mph for the rest of your drive, your score is screwed. If you are closely behind someone for 3 seconds, and then at the proper distance for 7 seconds before they are out of your lane or farther ahead of you, then this score is only based on 3 seconds of driving close, out of the 10 seconds total of being a behind that car at a proper distance. Boom. 30% close following for your entire drive. even if you drove 1000 miles.

When driving around 65-80mph, the perfect distance is when on the screens visuallization, the lead car is touching the end of the NoA single path line, or the end of the AP dual path lines. Unsafe following distance changes based on speed, as it should for a person who's driving manually. That line does adjust because the visualization zooms out when going fast, and zooms in when going slow. sometimes its hard to notice this because we don't watch the zoom change while driving. use the line/s.

This ones extremely easy to fix through your drive when you know the maneuver you just did is going to count against you. Follow the end of the lead line rule. purposefully put yourself behind cars to fix your score.

Final Thoughts

The safety score program is not perfect., but it is not hard either once you understand it. It's actually been a really interesting, teaching tool when it comes to me learning the way my car handles and thinks. Also, forcing me to use AP/NoA basically always, has taught me to really trust my car after seeing so many maneuvers I wasn't sure it could handle, being done perfectly.

I'll be happy to update this as I remember more advice... kinda wrote this in a one off spontaneously.

Treat it like a game. Aim for a high score. MAKE it fun. Hopefully they add more of us to the beta program soon, and if you're reading this for Tesla Insurance reason, enjoy the extra cash in your pocket.
Wow getting that score seems like a full time job -
 
hey guys, have a question. After discovering yesterday that my MS actually has the 2.5 cameras, it appears that I can actually qualify to join the beta provided i opt in and have the necessary driving score........so at this point, i have Tesla insurance and in my app on phone, it says my driving score wis 87, i am not currently opted in to the beta. My question is, i know several months ago the Tesla insurance app somehow got integrated with this Beta driving score even though i am not opted in. What can i do to "zero" it out so I can start fresh. I want to press the Beta button, but I dont want my driving score to start where it is now. Is that possible?
 
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I can't believe the machinations. Buying a Tesla so you can drive slow. Kinda like buying a VW Beetle for your large family.
So probably the best way to get a 100 score is buy a Tesla, but leave it in your garage most of the time except when you go to the grocery store which is three miles away. Buy a $70k Tesla and drive with grandma in the front seat to save a few bucks on insurance? Come on, Man! How about some solid research that demonstrates that any of these factors relate to accident and ticket-free safe driving? I am an aggressive driver on the track, on the road and on the highway. That doesn't mean that I am an unsafe driver (43 years with no tickets or accidents). To each their own, but it seems that some folks need to get a life outside of calculating their driving score.
 
I can't believe the machinations. Buying a Tesla so you can drive slow. Kinda like buying a VW Beetle for your large family.
So probably the best way to get a 100 score is buy a Tesla, but leave it in your garage most of the time except when you go to the grocery store which is three miles away. Buy a $70k Tesla and drive with grandma in the front seat to save a few bucks on insurance? Come on, Man! How about some solid research that demonstrates that any of these factors relate to accident and ticket-free safe driving? I am an aggressive driver on the track, on the road and on the highway. That doesn't mean that I am an unsafe driver (43 years with no tickets or accidents). To each their own, but it seems that some folks need to get a life outside of calculating their driving score.
Writer of the guide here... I drive 150-350 miles a day, like a madman, Like I have a performance vehicle. You dont have to drive slow. and that 3 second window is the key to passing, sharper turns, harder stops. Your reposonse is pretty rude honestly.. most people just want to get the beta software, an then your score doesnt matter anymore. and if you dont want your score affecting insurance rates, get a different insurance. Tesla DOES cost about 60% of what other insurances costs, and even better if you score well.
 
Writer of the guide here... I drive 150-350 miles a day, like a madman, Like I have a performance vehicle. You dont have to drive slow. and that 3 second window is the key to passing, sharper turns, harder stops. Your reposonse is pretty rude honestly.. most people just want to get the beta software, an then your score doesnt matter anymore. and if you dont want your score affecting insurance rates, get a different insurance. Tesla DOES cost about 60% of what other insurances costs, and even better if you score well.
Ok, So gaming the system is the way to beat it. My point exactly. Why have a system? My USAA rates beat any rates I know of and I can drive how I wish without grandma telling me I have 3 seconds. Do you really think that gaming the system and being distracted while turning FSD on and off, makes you a safer driver? I think not.

Solution: Buy the Tesla, Leave it in the garage. 100 points. Problem solved.

I thank you for your research and contribution to those who are interested. I am certain the information is very valuable for them. Job well done.

I take issue with the concept for the following reasons: (My Bias)

1) I must admit that I am not a fan of FSD. I like driving my car and have no need to play card games or watch TV while on the road. The safety contributions (like texting safely) are valuable though.

2) Elon has promised FSD for, say about say 8 years now and each year it is going to be perfected next year. Honestly, I feel much, much more confidence and trust in the Israeli Mobil-Eye navigation system on my 2014 Model S, than I did with the FSD on my Model X (but Elon got into a juvenile pissing contest with the President of Mobile Eye and took his toys and went home, leaving Tesla engineers to start from scratch. They are still catching up.

3) The many of the modifications TESLA has made to the vehicles in the interest of attaining FSD, have to some degree made the vehicles less admirable and in some cases less safe (phantom braking). Take for example the lack of a mirror blind spot indicator. I know the camera shows up when you put on the signal, but why should I have to activate the signal, when a simple glance shows me if there is a vehicle in my blind spot. Additionally, conglomerating everything to one screen with a dive into multiple menus with thick fingers in a moving car to even open the glove box, or make simple adjustments is NOT in the interest of safety. It doesn't take much research to realize that taking eyes off of the road is no doubt the greatest contributor to accidents of distraction. Where is HUD? Oh, yah. Not in the FSD plan, even though it would make the vehicle in its current mode much safer.

4) IMHO, FSD is a fantasy. Elon just announced again, that, Yup, FSD is going to be perfected by next year. Sure. Like it was for the last five years. Realistically we are 5 to 10 years out from true, safe FSD for the general public.

5) FSD software at $12,000 is a revenue driver contributing to the bottom line. How else do you think TESLA could build $4,000,000,000 of gigafactories in the past two years and report zero debt at the last quarter's call. In my opinion, it is more of a rip-off than the $3000 appearance package offered by your standard car dealer. But for those who like to gamble, to each their own. Buy some PPF for the front of your car and I think you have a far better investment

6) It is admirable to continue to develop attributes, but don't push it; particularly when utilizing consumers as your crash dummies. The first bevy of fatalities are going to set back the progress by longer than the Challenger and Columbia accidents did. The NTSB is already adversarial and just looking for an opportunity to lower the boom.

I realize that I am rather sassy in my comments and that it is my style and way of making my point. We each are entitled to our own choices and opinions and preferences for products, and it is not my intent to be rude or disrespectful to anyone's work and contributions. They are certainly appreciated.

Promise long and deliver a great, safe, product ahead of schedule.
 
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Ok, So gaming the system is the way to beat it. My point exactly. Why have a system? My USAA rates beat any rates I know of and I can drive how I wish without grandma telling me I have 3 seconds. Do you really think that gaming the system and being distracted while turning it on and off, makes you a safer driver? I think not.
Buy the Tesla, Leave it in the garage. 100 points. Problem solved.
I think you're projecting your own bias here. You care more about driving aggressively (by definition less safe IMHO). Others want their cake and eat it too. Nothing wrong with that. Although I disagree with the author that you need to take all this effort (I did not), that is their choice. Most aren't in this game to be a safer driver as best I can tell so that point is irrelevant.

Oh, and your advice is just plain wrong. You won't get a 100% score letting it sit in the garage. You have to drive a minimum number of miles.
 
Ok, So gaming the system is the way to beat it. My point exactly. Why have a system? My USAA rates beat any rates I know of and I can drive how I wish without grandma telling me I have 3 seconds. Do you really think that gaming the system and being distracted while turning it on and off, makes you a safer driver? I think not.
Buy the Tesla, Leave it in the garage. 100 points. Problem solved.
Im not telling anyone to game the system. did you read it all? "The Safety Score process is training you for FSD beta, and to be the type of driver they want testing the beta. Not everything it considers good/bad, is what WE would consider good/bad driving." and if pressing the stalk down twice is distracting in your mind, thats ridiculous. also, you have USAA. not everyone can have that. they have the best rates sure, but I cant get it. saving 1000+ a year is not a small thing to most people. you sound like you live in your own world.

some people use their cars for work, and arent ex military/family of military incase you didn't know.

I wrote this to help people that actually care about their score/insurance rates. if thats not you, dont come here to talk down to those people, me included.
 
hey guys, have a question. After discovering yesterday that my MS actually has the 2.5 cameras, it appears that I can actually qualify to join the beta provided i opt in and have the necessary driving score........so at this point, i have Tesla insurance and in my app on phone, it says my driving score wis 87, i am not currently opted in to the beta. My question is, i know several months ago the Tesla insurance app somehow got integrated with this Beta driving score even though i am not opted in. What can i do to "zero" it out so I can start fresh. I want to press the Beta button, but I dont want my driving score to start where it is now. Is that possible?
Unfortunately its the same score and you cant reset it... some people have said that opting out and opting back in resets it for them, but that was patched long ago and it seems to only work anecdotally. the only way to improve your score is let your bad days roll off the 30 day period.
 
I appreciate the instruction on how to improve the safety score. Although I can't argue with the results, the method doesn't seem to match what I experience. I can't double press the stalk as you describe because I'm already driving with AP engaged during all portions of my work commute where it is possible. The times when I have to rapidly apply brakes or steering are to stop AP from trying to self-immolate twice a week. I have not seen a 3 second grace window as it seems to ding the score every time I have to yank it out of making an invalid lane change, etc.
 
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I appreciate the instruction on how to improve the safety score. Although I can't argue with the results, the method doesn't seem to match what I experience. I can't double press the stalk as you describe because I'm already driving with AP engaged during all portions of my work commute where it is possible. The times when I have to rapidly apply brakes or steering are to stop AP from trying to self-immolate twice a week. I have not seen a 3 second grace window as it seems to ding the score every time I have to yank it out of making an invalid lane change, etc.
How odd, I regularly use the brakes to disengage, or pressing up on the stalk. both will disengage and allow the 3 second window. when it comes to changing lanes where im going to be behind someone closely, ive gotten a good rhythm of pressing up on left stalk, turning blinker on to change lanes getting behind someone, and then pressing down on the left stalk twice in the 3 second window ending up pretty close to the car ahead of me.

Perhaps try using the up on the stalk and see your results? Braking hard from AP never dings me though. only when I haven't been on autopilot. and teslas documentation says it wont ding you either.

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How odd, I regularly use the brakes to disengage, or pressing up on the stalk. both will disengage and allow the 3 second window. when it comes to changing lanes where im going to be behind someone closely, ive gotten a good rhythm of pressing up on left stalk, turning blinker on to change lanes getting behind someone, and then pressing down on the left stalk twice in the 3 second window ending up pretty close to the car ahead of me.

Perhaps try using the up on the stalk and see your results? Braking hard from AP never dings me though. only when I haven't been on autopilot. and teslas documentation says it wont ding you either.

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Thanks. I'll keep experimenting. I'm probably committing infractions I'm not noticing (although that will make it problematic to correct them :D) I do use the tap up to disengage AP when the car suddenly slows down for unknowable (to me) reasons. Then I reengage it. The issues where I've had to brake or steer suddenly are to keep AP from hitting someone or driving off an exit ramp; so, I'm usually too startled to try disengaging AP first. One thing I will definitely be watching out for using using TACC only. I did not realize that as not counting as being on AP.
 
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