Thanks for investigating and sharing. As you said, not inspiring news given the report above.
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How common is ghosting?
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EV-lutioin
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Oy Vey! Can someone who has the new "improved" 1066747-01-B confirm whether it has ghosting or not?
wallstguy
Member
Just to clear up...I'm only speculating the first part of the part number as "1066747"....the SC only had mentioned it was the -01-B revision, and confirmed its the fix for ghosting
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If the nomenclature is the same as I'm familiar with, which I suspect, the first 7 digits is the part number, the following two digits is the variant number, and the letter is the revision.
You usually swap the part number when you have a sufficiently different part, the variant goes -00 -> -01 -> 02 etc, whenever you need a slightly different variation of the part. Like if you needed one part with one tinting and one with a different tinting. Then the revisions are improvements, so C is better than B, which is better than A, etc. (But a revision may not matter at all. It could just be a correction of spelling on a some specification.) Assuming the part numbers are assigned sequentially, the chronological progression of the parts numbers would be something like this:
1034385-00--
1034385-00-A (?)
1034385-00-B (?)
1034385-01--
1034385-01-A
1034385-01-B
1034385-01-C
1034385-01-D
1034385-01-E
1034385-01-F
1034385-01-G
1034385-01-H
1066747-00--
1066747-00-A (?)
1066747-00-B (?)
1066747-01--
1066747-01-A
1066747-01-B
1105964-00--
1105964-00-A
1105964-00-B
In this scenario, the "best" part should be 1105964-00-B, but it's not possible to say for sure. They could have started designing 1066747 before they started 1105964, and then finished it after 1105964. Then the lower part number is the newer part. Or they may assign part numbers non-chronologically. Or any number of possibilities.
You usually swap the part number when you have a sufficiently different part, the variant goes -00 -> -01 -> 02 etc, whenever you need a slightly different variation of the part. Like if you needed one part with one tinting and one with a different tinting. Then the revisions are improvements, so C is better than B, which is better than A, etc. (But a revision may not matter at all. It could just be a correction of spelling on a some specification.) Assuming the part numbers are assigned sequentially, the chronological progression of the parts numbers would be something like this:
1034385-00--
1034385-00-A (?)
1034385-00-B (?)
1034385-01--
1034385-01-A
1034385-01-B
1034385-01-C
1034385-01-D
1034385-01-E
1034385-01-F
1034385-01-G
1034385-01-H
1066747-00--
1066747-00-A (?)
1066747-00-B (?)
1066747-01--
1066747-01-A
1066747-01-B
1105964-00--
1105964-00-A
1105964-00-B
In this scenario, the "best" part should be 1105964-00-B, but it's not possible to say for sure. They could have started designing 1066747 before they started 1105964, and then finished it after 1105964. Then the lower part number is the newer part. Or they may assign part numbers non-chronologically. Or any number of possibilities.
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As you can see above, saying you want to replace your 1066747-01-B with a -00-B isn't sufficient. The service center may just look up 1066747-00-B and see it's not produce anymore. Or maybe it is a development part not for use in production vehicles. Or they simply can't find it in their systems. Or it simply doesn't exist.
You have to specify the entire number "1105964-00-B" to be sure they are looking up the right part.
Anyway, I've asked for a quote on replacing my windshield with a 1105964-00-B, so we'll see what they say here.
(There could also be a 1105964-01-B out there, which would likely be newer than the 1105964-00-B. If the service center says the 1105964-00-B is obsolete and they can only supply a 1105964-01-B, I'd be optimistic that it wouldn't have ghosting, but I'd wait a bit and see what people are saying about it.)
You have to specify the entire number "1105964-00-B" to be sure they are looking up the right part.
Anyway, I've asked for a quote on replacing my windshield with a 1105964-00-B, so we'll see what they say here.
(There could also be a 1105964-01-B out there, which would likely be newer than the 1105964-00-B. If the service center says the 1105964-00-B is obsolete and they can only supply a 1105964-01-B, I'd be optimistic that it wouldn't have ghosting, but I'd wait a bit and see what people are saying about it.)
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lunitiks
Cool James & Black Teacher
Interesting theory. Never thought of it this way. Therefore I cannot say if I agree with you or not. My gut is inclined to disagree with you, at least wrt the battery pack part numbers. My impression is that these are quite random.
Gonna keep your theory in mind going fwd though
Here is my recent result after taking my X90D April 2016 build. I was having other warranty work done and had mentioned the part number from this thread (I took it in several days ago and getting it back tomorrow).
Concern: Customer: I read that Tesla has corrected the "Ghosting" on the windshields with a
new part 1105964-00-B. As you recall, we talked about it when I first purchased the car, and
Tesla had no resolution at that point. Mine has always been pretty pronounced even during
the daytime it is noticeable
Pay Type: Goodwill
Corrections: Windshield Liftgate Glass and Body Glass General Diagnosis Conclusion: No
Trouble Found
Inspected vehicle windshield for ghosting and it was present. Performed testing on vehicle
with ghosting tools and found that ghosting is within factory specifications. Inspected parts
catalog for part number supplied by customer and found no matching results. Spoke with
technicians that work closely with engineers at the factory and they were unaware of any
recent changes made to the Model X windshield.
Concern: Customer: I read that Tesla has corrected the "Ghosting" on the windshields with a
new part 1105964-00-B. As you recall, we talked about it when I first purchased the car, and
Tesla had no resolution at that point. Mine has always been pretty pronounced even during
the daytime it is noticeable
Pay Type: Goodwill
Corrections: Windshield Liftgate Glass and Body Glass General Diagnosis Conclusion: No
Trouble Found
Inspected vehicle windshield for ghosting and it was present. Performed testing on vehicle
with ghosting tools and found that ghosting is within factory specifications. Inspected parts
catalog for part number supplied by customer and found no matching results. Spoke with
technicians that work closely with engineers at the factory and they were unaware of any
recent changes made to the Model X windshield.
hill
high fiber member
That is some amazing audacity. I suppose it is at least good to have in writing that they are denying its existence and that they see ghosting present in your windshield. I'd pass all that on to the NHTSA, along with some pictures of ghosting from your windshield.
Anyway, choose which picture you like most! These are all pictures from the loaner X100D I presently have. Various views provided to combat the
It's real. And it's magnificent.
While you are at it, ask them to see their current inventory cars (if any) and the testdrive cars they have on the sales side, if they are newer, chances are they have the new windshields too.
I must be a little dense this evening, because I have a current loaner MX P100D in my garage. I haven't driven it too much out of fear of damaging it, but the part number is . . . 1105964-00-B as I just looked at the windshield. It has hardly any ghosting from what I can tell. Now my only problem is that my X is an AP1 and it sounds like they may not be compatible.
take a tape measure and measure the windshield? I know there are some messages that it might not be incompatible, but I don't see why would it be.
wallstguy
Member
Just a heads up, my SC is looking into the AP 2 windshields, but theres a new non-ghosting AP1 windshield with a 106____ -01-C ...I can't remember what the full part number was for it but thats what the rep saw in the system. (Can't confirm its non-ghosting based on experience, only off speculation per discussion).
So maybe this is the new AP1 nonghosting one: : MX WSHLD ASSEMBLY MONO-CAM HWAK4D-3 (1066747-01-C) 1
Pointless effort. You do realize that Tesla is using the NHTSA guidelines for ghosting, right? Most windshields are within the NHTSA guidelines, so unless they change them, they won't do anything.
The problem is that those guidelines are too lenient. If you want to write to the NHTSA, you should tell them to amend their guidelines.
Hey, I'm all in on pointless effort! That's what message boards are about!
Are we sure that Tesla isn't using internal guidelines? (You know, like our windshields are Beta or something.)
