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It took me about 3 months… and now I love them and I really really really hate regular stalks in my other cars. The buttons are just easier and require less muscle move or effort.
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“…and except for that one thing, I really enjoyed the play.” - Mrs. Abraham LincolnThe only time I miss the stalks, is when I have the wheel in full lock or making sharp turns and merging into the adjacent lanes. But for everything else
For driving in a straight line and just changing lanes there are ok. But not an improvement in any way.I got used to them pretty quickly. But I’d go back to stalks in a heart beat if it was an option.
The buttons on the steering wheel are considered a switch, so Tesla still meets the 5-star safety rating. There is nothing about requiring stalks....So much so that the EU has now decided that in the future cars can only be awarded with the maximum 5-star safety rating if certain functions can also be executed by a physical switch.
How do you know this? Seems like a flat button that has no physical movement could be interpreted different ways.The buttons on the steering wheel are considered a switch, so Tesla still meets the 5-star safety rating. There is nothing about requiring stalks.
Do a Google search for capacitive switch. Here's one result:How do you know this? Seems like a flat button that has no physical movement could be interpreted different ways.
I see. Still seems to be it depends on how the EU regulators interpret the language of a 'physical control' or whatever was in that post from before. But maybe we haven't seen the final language of the regulation. I wouldn't consider a flat button with no physical feedback a physical button or control.
A technical definition isn’t necessarily the same as a legal one. Don’t forget that the software controls can also be considered a switch with a touch sensor.
The stalks are not an expensive part of the car and wouldn't slow down production of a car that sells 20,000 a year or so. The Model S isn't a price sensitive model so if it costs $74,990 versus $75,120 I'm sure it would sell just as well.Yoke was pretty easy for me to adapt. Used to riding motorcycles, so using thumbs to press was pretty natural.
Few traffic signals around here, and they usually do not require turning the yoke over 90*, so buttons still easy to push.
Love the look of the yoke and it makes the interior much more spacious. Wheel blocked the center display, so much better sight lines with the yoke.
Stalks always felt cheap, and kludgy. Way to many functions on them, that are now pretty much automated by Tesla. Still smile when I see another vehicle driving with their blinkers on for miles.
Thumb button for the horn is easy to use, but I understand that Tesla is putting that in the center pad for newer production.
Tesla's philosophy is that the best button is no buttton. Know this will take some getting used to, but will save lots of expensive stalks and speed up production time while helping to drive down prices.
Agree. It all comes down to how the non-technical regulators in the EU decide to interpret physical control.A technical definition isn’t necessarily the same as a legal one. Don’t forget that the software controls can also be considered a switch with a touch sensor.
For now, all this talk is just hypothetical speculating. Just gotta wait 'till the horse speaks to see how those in control interpret their own words.Agree. It all comes down to how the non-technical regulators in the EU decide to interpret physical control.
Agree. I am hoping they force a push back to physical control for some functions. It's great to have a screen for most of the lesser used settings but I think Tesla went a little too far with 2 buttons for the entire car.For now, all this talk is just hypothetical speculating. Just gotta wait 'till the horse speaks to see how those in control interpret their own words.
You want less physical controls that the two steering wheel scroll wheels? You think the current implementation is well done with no need for improvement (the fact we have a center horn again kind of discounts that theory).For now, all this talk is just hypothetical speculating. Just gotta wait 'till the horse speaks to see how those in control interpret their own words.
Adding assumptions to speculation does not support any argument.You want less physical controls that the two steering wheel scroll wheels? You think the current implementation is well done with no need for improvement (the fact we have a center horn again kind of discounts that theory).
So explain then so I'm not assuming anything. You disliked my statement saying I think Tesla went to far eliminating almost all physical buttons so assume you disagree there.Adding assumptions to speculation does not support any argument.