It will be worth a lot of money as long as it works which nobody actually knows today.
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How many EAP owners would pay for the 3.0 FSD computer at what price?
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milleron
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When I bought in 2017, I got EAP for $5K IIRC. I could have added FSD for $3K. I thought it was too far in the future to spend money on it then. I'm glad I waited. I got it for $2K during the first week of March this year.
You could get AP/FSD "value" covered by comprehensive if you call your insurance company and either request to update the purchased options on the car, or insure it for "stated value".
Either way, I would expect the insurance cost to go up a bit.
You just answered your own question - you are willing to pay $800 for 16-months worth of Navigate on AP functionality (if that is even available on AP2 HW). Otherwise, you need to wait for HW3 upgrade packages, whenever those become available. If you are lucky, before the lease runs out.
How is that working out for you?
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I would pay something for NAP feature, mostly for kicks.
Maybe $250-500.
Incidentally, the rest is vaporware, or does not work well enough to see the light of day, anyway. The last thing I would want is red light stop, or pedestrian avoidance features that work 95% of the time... not good for the insurance rates.
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Indeed. I purchased two model 3's: one with EAP and one without. (da wife don't need no stinkin' auto steer). When I called my insurance carrier, I told them that the price with PUP was $49, but EAP was $5000 more. Thus, that car is about $30/yr to insure.
In my recent, long (5K miles) driving vacation, I have seen a number of times when EAP was very slow to respond to lane change requests (suggested by EAP). It was so slow that I would have cut off approaching cars, a rude if not dangerous way to drive. I would expect the new chip to improve performance; thus I would be happy to pay for the hardware upgrade IF it were less expensive than FSD (now $6K for my 2018 MS). I have grave reservations about when FSD will become viable, but improved EAP would be welcome.
FWIW, when I changed my NOA to "Mad Max" mode and the steering to Sport, it significantly changed the experience. The way NOA works went from Prius Sunday Driver style to something, maybe not entirely MelGibsonesque, but very acceptable -- better than my own manual lane changes for sure.
Judging by the last 2 updates, no doubt it will keep getting better. The 3.0 hardware being able to process more camera data faster should introduce a greater margin of safety that may not be obvious at first glance.
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astrowunder
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Right now, not great, but if we really get full autonomy within a few years, I'll be very happy. Most of the things Elon has set his mind to have happened eventually, just not on Elon-time.
digitalFan
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Zero + Nada + Nil
By the time FSD becomes available, my Model 3 will be 10+ years old so it is pointless to spend any money now. I may just get a better looking, more exciting 2030 Model 3 at that time.
$0 for just the computer. I would be very upset if EAP features perform better on HW3 though. We paid for features on EAP and should get the best experience possible regardless of hardware version. If more computing power is needed for advanced summon, autopilot, navigate on autopilot etc we should get hardware upgrades included. Right now EAP is underwhelming. Summon frequently stops midway, autopilot has phantom braking, autopark is all but useless.
Agreed! Owners who bought EAP includes summons. Recently summons was updated to advanced summons to early owners. The question is “if customers who paid EAP, will they have advance summons without HW3 when it’s relessed to everyone? If not, HW3 should be free to owners with EAP regardless if they bought FSD or not. Are you reading this Elon? I don’t think advance summons will be available to HW2.5 which really sucks.
This is the reason TESLA stocks is in a roller coaster because of Elon’s wish’s washy decision. FSD is BS for at least another 5+ years. Don’t pay another dime. Also the reason they cannot fix the NOAP is because the hardware 2.5 sucks. Admit it Elon, HW 2.5 sucks. People buying new production includes 3.0 hardware regardless. They will performs better when using adaptive cruise control.
I don't remember "advanced summon" being included in EAP features.
I can't help noting that to some it's always half empty, to others it's half full.
And then there's the idea that it's mostly empty and must overflow 4 free.
"EAP is underwhelming" compared to what? It's not my impression at all.
Summon is prioritized for safety. Your phone has to be very close and
if bluetooth/wifi disconnect, as they are prone to do, like with printers etc,
then doesn't it make sense for Summon to halt?
I use Autopark on bounded parallel and perpendicular spaces, per spec,
whenever I can't just zip into a space, and it works fine.
With updates, random slowdown has become very infrequent. Haven't
ever seen actual "braking". I use AP and NOA all the time, it's not perfect
but it's great. Anybody driving something better? HW 2.5 sucks? huh?
Are our experiences vastly different, or do we look at them differently?
Some people are projecting their unhappiness, there's no fixing that.
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I can't help noting that to some it's always half empty, to others it's half full.
And then there's the idea that it's mostly empty and must overflow 4 free.
"EAP is underwhelming" compared to what? It's not my impression at all.
Summon is prioritized for safety. Your phone has to be very close and
if bluetooth/wifi disconnect, as they are prone to do, like with printers etc,
then doesn't it make sense for Summon to halt?
I use Autopark on bounded parallel and perpendicular spaces, per spec,
whenever I can't just zip into a space, and it works fine.
With updates, random slowdown has become very infrequent. Haven't
ever seen actual "braking". I use AP and NOA all the time, it's not perfect
but it's great. Anybody driving something better? HW 2.5 sucks? huh?
Are our experiences vastly different, or do we look at them differently?
Some people are projecting their unhappiness, there's no fixing that.
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Well, that at least is a rational point. And ultimately an argument for getting
the 3.0 package. We're talking about price. I got the 2018 stuff, I'd pay $3k
to upgrade.
There will come a time in the future that there will be software updates even if it has nothing to do with FSD that HW2.5 will not able to process. Put out a petition to Elon or TESLA to upgrade owners with HW2.5 to HW3 at no charge regardless if they bought EAP or not. This also specially addressed to stock/share holders if you want your investment to succeed. Also petition TESLA to unlock the car after the warranty period is over so that owners can choose to other means of servicing or fixing their own cars.
sublimejackman
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You just answered your own question - you are willing to pay $800 for 16-months worth of Navigate on AP functionality (if that is even available on AP2 HW). Otherwise, you need to wait for HW3 upgrade packages, whenever those become available. If you are lucky, before the lease runs out.
I have NAP. I'm talking about upgrading to MCU3. If by some black magic Tesla adds NAP to surface streets and/or the ability to autostop at street lights and signs in next few months;I'd pay for MCU3. However it would have to be a $50 -$75 increased monthly payment or <= $1000.
I convinced my son to buy a M3 mid range with EAP. I also urged him to buy the FSD asap. He checked his tesla account and called the sales office but it took a month before there was an option for FSD for him and the price was 5K. He called the sales office which said this was a good deal and it should be 7K. Now it's 6K. We never found a way to buy before the 5k price which makes his FSD + ESD cost 10K or now 11K. Fair pricing from Tesla is out the window. I know Elon said it could be 2K and many on the forum said they purchased at 2k we just couldn't figure out how. Surely we aren't the only ones caught in this feature offer. Located in the bay area.
ditto. My experience exactly. Bought the free test EAP for $5800. Don’t think I would ever trust FSD at 6k more.
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