How would you handle this...

[DuncanM]

I'm reviving my own old thread out of simple frustration with they Model Y owner. I'm rip snorting mad (at my building) and this awful woman driving this Model Y. I'm tempted to post a picture of her vehicle and licence plate here.

So, let's get to the "not so bad" part first... We have a new EV in the building. Polestar. Guy gets in super early and take one of the two charging spots pretty much everyday. I think that's fair game but he often gets a full charge and just stays plugged in for anywhere from 2-3 hours after he's charged. I got my new Model S with Sentry so what does my camera catch...

Polestar guy comes out of the elevator with Model Y lady who is parked next to the staircase. He's done charging. He waits by his car while she drives around, he pulls out, she pulls in. He takes her spot right next to the stairs, she take the charging spot, not affording anyone else a chance. Frankly, this had NO effect on me personally but now we have abut 8 EV's in the building do others are not being given an opportunity.

Fast forward to yesterday...

I have a handicapped employee. She parks in the appropriate designated area, there is ONLY one spot. She comes to the office, after having to walk much more than she should have to and upset because "someone without a placard was in the handicapped spot". I went down to see... and low and behold it was Madame Model Y. No placard, she's not disabled, in fact, her only disability might be the six inch stilletos I saw her with from my Sentry mode.

I took pics and sent it to the building. Her explanation... "she was only there temporarily, while she was waiting for Mr. Polestar to move his car". She was probably parked there for 30-45 minutes. Other than a "warning", our building really did nothing.

I think all of this is a result of a few factors...

1. Human nature is inherently bad and offering "free" anything (like charging) brings out the worst in people.

2. Laziness is a disease. Both Ms. Model Y and Mr. Polestar refuse to park anywhere more than a few feet from the elevator entrance (charger is 10-15 feet away). They will literally move mountains to ensure they don't have to walk more than a few steps.

Was thinking of leaving a picture of her car parked in the handicapped spot right by the elevator bank saying notifying other tenants. Really efing annoyed.

The Bldg management will have to put up a sign that limits use of the charger parking spots to X number of hours/day or something similar similar along with a warning that offenders will be fined or towed at their expense.

The real answer would be a monthly permit for EV owners along with an appropriate cost and instructions as to maximum time per day at the charger. Violators would have their permit revoked.

 

[Struja]

The Bldg management will have to put up a sign that limits use of the charger parking spots to X number of hours/day or something similar similar along with a warning that offenders will be fined or towed at their expense.

The real answer would be a monthly permit for EV owners along with an appropriate cost and instructions as to maximum time per day at the charger. Violators would have their permit revoked.

Very good ideas. I will put them to our building management but what kind of able bodied person thinks it’s just ok to take a handicap’s spot? That’s just wild to me.

 

[richrootes]

Please see post #19

 

[Struja]

Please see post #19

So true.

 

[Jerryr]

I'm reviving my own old thread out of simple frustration with they Model Y owner. I'm rip snorting mad (at my building) and this awful woman driving this Model Y. I'm tempted to post a picture of her vehicle and licence plate here.

So, let's get to the "not so bad" part first... We have a new EV in the building. Polestar. Guy gets in super early and take one of the two charging spots pretty much everyday. I think that's fair game but he often gets a full charge and just stays plugged in for anywhere from 2-3 hours after he's charged. I got my new Model S with Sentry so what does my camera catch...

Polestar guy comes out of the elevator with Model Y lady who is parked next to the staircase. He's done charging. He waits by his car while she drives around, he pulls out, she pulls in. He takes her spot right next to the stairs, she take the charging spot, not affording anyone else a chance. Frankly, this had NO effect on me personally but now we have abut 8 EV's in the building do others are not being given an opportunity.

Fast forward to yesterday...

I have a handicapped employee. She parks in the appropriate designated area, there is ONLY one spot. She comes to the office, after having to walk much more than she should have to and upset because "someone without a placard was in the handicapped spot". I went down to see... and low and behold it was Madame Model Y. No placard, she's not disabled, in fact, her only disability might be the six inch stilletos I saw her with from my Sentry mode.

I took pics and sent it to the building. Her explanation... "she was only there temporarily, while she was waiting for Mr. Polestar to move his car". She was probably parked there for 30-45 minutes. Other than a "warning", our building really did nothing.

I think all of this is a result of a few factors...

1. Human nature is inherently bad and offering "free" anything (like charging) brings out the worst in people.

2. Laziness is a disease. Both Ms. Model Y and Mr. Polestar refuse to park anywhere more than a few feet from the elevator entrance (charger is 10-15 feet away). They will literally move mountains to ensure they don't have to walk more than a few steps.

Was thinking of leaving a picture of her car parked in the handicapped spot right by the elevator bank saying notifying other tenants. Really efing annoyed.

These people really irk me.

My mother was using my deceased father's handicapped permit to park in a handicapped spot at Home Depot, even though 2 spots away there was an open parking spot. When I asked her not to do tis she got huffy with me. The original entitled "Karen" I told her that I would call the police if I saw her doing this again.

 

[Struja]

These people really irk me.

My mother was using my deceased father's handicapped permit to park in a handicapped spot at Home Depot, even though 2 spots away there was an open parking spot. When I asked her not to do tis she got huffy with me. The original entitled "Karen" I told her that I would call the police if I saw her doing this again.

So the lady in my office with the disability almost lost her leg to a MRSA infection. The result was about 19 leg surgeries over 5 years. She is seriously compromised in her ability to walk long distances so parking right next to the elevator is a big deal for her. My entire office was furious.

 

[SalisburySam]

So the lady in my office with the disability almost lost her leg to a MRSA infection. The result was about 19 leg surgeries over 5 years. She is seriously compromised in her ability to walk long distances so parking right next to the elevator is a big deal for her. My entire office was furious.

I don’t think I understand this. Parking in a handicapped slot without a placard is in most locations a fine-able and towable offense. I would think after a few tickets and maybe a tow or two this problem would resolve. Have the police not been called? What am I missing?

 

[HarleyW]

I don’t think I understand this. Parking in a handicapped slot without a placard is in most locations a fine-able and towable offense. I would think after a few tickets and maybe a tow or two this problem would resolve. Have the police not been called? What am I missing?

Exactly, why even involve the building management as parking in a handicapped spot is against a bylaw pretty much everywhere.

And it's not a cheap ticket.

 

[TrevTremaine]

I'm reviving my own old thread out of simple frustration with they Model Y owner. I'm rip snorting mad (at my building) and this awful woman driving this Model Y. I'm tempted to post a picture of her vehicle and licence plate here.

So, let's get to the "not so bad" part first... We have a new EV in the building. Polestar. Guy gets in super early and take one of the two charging spots pretty much everyday. I think that's fair game but he often gets a full charge and just stays plugged in for anywhere from 2-3 hours after he's charged. I got my new Model S with Sentry so what does my camera catch...

Polestar guy comes out of the elevator with Model Y lady who is parked next to the staircase. He's done charging. He waits by his car while she drives around, he pulls out, she pulls in. He takes her spot right next to the stairs, she take the charging spot, not affording anyone else a chance. Frankly, this had NO effect on me personally but now we have abut 8 EV's in the building do others are not being given an opportunity.

Fast forward to yesterday...

I have a handicapped employee. She parks in the appropriate designated area, there is ONLY one spot. She comes to the office, after having to walk much more than she should have to and upset because "someone without a placard was in the handicapped spot". I went down to see... and low and behold it was Madame Model Y. No placard, she's not disabled, in fact, her only disability might be the six inch stilletos I saw her with from my Sentry mode.

I took pics and sent it to the building. Her explanation... "she was only there temporarily, while she was waiting for Mr. Polestar to move his car". She was probably parked there for 30-45 minutes. Other than a "warning", our building really did nothing.

I think all of this is a result of a few factors...

1. Human nature is inherently bad and offering "free" anything (like charging) brings out the worst in people.

2. Laziness is a disease. Both Ms. Model Y and Mr. Polestar refuse to park anywhere more than a few feet from the elevator entrance (charger is 10-15 feet away). They will literally move mountains to ensure they don't have to walk more than a few steps.

Was thinking of leaving a picture of her car parked in the handicapped spot right by the elevator bank saying notifying other tenants. Really efing annoyed.

Sadly, you are right - it's a combination of laziness and selfishness. Unfortunately you probably won't get anywhere with them. Probably the only solution is to petition to have the charger moved to the furthest point away in the parking lot, but odds are that won't happen unless someone is willing to put up the cash - it's more likely the building will simply shut it down completely.

Courtesy and mutual respect are history in this city. We're in the "Me me and only me" mindset age.

 

[Don.Church]

How about either installing another charger or relocating the existing charger to a non-desirable parking location, further out from the entrance?

 

[cdswm3]

I would be at the point of air out of the tires on a regular basis. They will get the message fast.

 

[Struja]

I don’t think I understand this. Parking in a handicapped slot without a placard is in most locations a fine-able and towable offense. I would think after a few tickets and maybe a tow or two this problem would resolve. Have the police not been called? What am I missing?

Private lot, private rules. No signs indicate that they either tag or tow. I told the building, best as I can tell the most they did was speak to her.

 

[Struja]

How about either installing another charger or relocating the existing charger to a non-desirable parking location, further out from the entrance?

This has been my request almost from minute one but it's fallen on deaf ears. Truth be told, if management was to put the charger in the least desirable spot in the entire garage, you'd probably have a 50 meter walk to the elevator (in an indoor parking garage that never really get too cold). The design of the garage is such that there are no really terrible spots (for able bodied people).

 

[Soul Surfer]

I will start with a bit of background. The building where I work (and run my business) has increasingly tried to improve their LEED rating (as an environmentally friendly) building. When I saw they were doing this, I took the opportunity to really petition them to install an EV charger. So, about 2 years ago, they put in a Chargepoint charger. I was ecstatic. It is located in our parking garage and it is free (which is an even bigger score). Right now, we only have about 3-4 regular EV's in our lot and the charger gets very limited use. It's been ICED a few times, but not a huge problem. Our lot has both monthly parkers and day parkers. The day rate is $12 for the day and the monthly is $180. I have 4 monthly parking passes for myself and my staff.

So, in the past 3 weeks there has been a Model Y owner that has "parked" in the charging spot on 3 occasions, not plugged in at all. The charging spot is very conveniently located next to the elevators but even if you were forced to park in the worst spot on the garage, you're walk to the elevator would never bee more than about 50 meters. It is a small garage and well designed that yoiu never really have a long walk.

After the third parkedoccasion, (now the fourth time the car was parked in the spot not charging) I left (what I thought) was a very courteous note simply saying something like "as an EV owner it is important we keep these spots open for other EVs in case someone needs an urgent charge and the spot was not a parking spot". I don't know that the person got the note for sure, although I have no reason to believe they did not.

Unfortunately, my note didn't seem to work and the Model Y owner continues to use this as a parking spot. I went to the building security and management and they don't seem to have any interest in moving any vehicles from this spot that aren't charging. Do I just leave it alone and let is slide? My concern is that there are only two charging spots for the entire garage. I use it, only as I need to (as I still do most of my charging at home), but frankly it annoys me that a fellow EV owner has such poor etiquette. What would you do?

As a person who has a legitimate accessibility permit due to mobility issues. I think I would have called the building's parking enforcement company and/or even the city parking enforcement. There are absolutely no excuses.

 

[Struja]

As a person who has a legitimate accessibility permit due to mobility issues. I think I would have called the building's parking enforcement company and/or even the city parking enforcement. There are absolutely no excuses.

I don't see that we have that listed anywhere in a public area. I mean, it's impossible they don't have such a company, I just don't see it posted anwywhere, which is why I brought it to building management.

 

[Tony_YYZ]

I understand your position. In my neighbourhood there is a relatively new community center. Others and myself campaigned to get EV chargers installed there since it was a brand new building going up and the town actually listened and did it! We have 8 Chargepoint level 2 units there.

But now, so many residents in the area use those chargers as their personal charging stations and leave their cars there all day/night. You see the same cars/license plates there day in/out. I’ve personally witnessed people driving over from the complete opposite end of the subdivision (~2kms) to leave their car plugged in there while someone else from their house followed them to drive them back home. They have become such pests. They are all Tesla owners as well.

A few of us have been suggesting to the town to do something to enforce the long term abuse of the stations but it mostly fell on deaf ears or just giving us a whole lot of: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But we have different events in that community center and people come from surrounding areas. They are rarely ever afforded the opportunity to charge when they visit because of the locals. I’ve suggested to the town to to turn on idle fees and make them more expensive than the local utility rates for homes so that people have an incentive to move their cars and also to limit free charging to an hour or two then start charging for it. They finally put up signage that fees are coming in 2024 but there’s no information published anywhere on what that will look like. They need to make it more expensive to charge there than at home so the locals will feel it in their wallets.

Bunch of nouveau Tesla owners who are too cheap to install home charging and just abusing free public stations. It’s pretty disgusting.

 

[Struja]

I understand your position. In my neighbourhood there is a relatively new community center. Others and myself campaigned to get EV chargers installed there since it was a brand new building going up and the town actually listened and did it! We have 8 Chargepoint level 2 units there.

But now, so many residents in the area use those chargers as their personal charging stations and leave their cars there all day/night. You see the same cars/license plates there day in/out. I’ve personally witnessed people driving over from the complete opposite end of the subdivision (~2kms) to leave their car plugged in there while someone else from their house followed them to drive them back home. They have become such pests. They are all Tesla owners as well.

A few of us have been suggesting to the town to do something to enforce the long term abuse of the stations but it mostly fell on deaf ears or just giving us a whole lot of: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But we have different events in that community center and people come from surrounding areas. They are rarely ever afforded the opportunity to charge when they visit because of the locals. I’ve suggested to the town to to turn on idle fees and make them more expensive than the local utility rates for homes so that people have an incentive to move their cars and also to limit free charging to an hour or two then start charging for it. They finally put up signage that fees are coming in 2024 but there’s no information published anywhere on what that will look like. They need to make it more expensive to charge there than at home so the locals will feel it in their wallets.

Bunch of nouveau Tesla owners who are too cheap to install home charging and just abusing free public stations. It’s pretty disgusting.

This gets clearly filed in the “no good deeds go unpunished” department. I hate saying things like this but 8 years ago when I got my first Model S you would see the same Model S owners over and over while charging. You’d waive at each other on the road. There was a real sense of community and etiquette. I remember meeting legacy owners who got their cars in 2012 and they were very courteous in explaining EV etiquette to new owners like me. This forum was also an excellent source of education on etiquette. Now, it’s just a free for all (which is good in one sense - but awful in the erosion of etiquette).

 

[cdswm3]

I understand your position. In my neighbourhood there is a relatively new community center. Others and myself campaigned to get EV chargers installed there since it was a brand new building going up and the town actually listened and did it! We have 8 Chargepoint level 2 units there.

But now, so many residents in the area use those chargers as their personal charging stations and leave their cars there all day/night. You see the same cars/license plates there day in/out. I’ve personally witnessed people driving over from the complete opposite end of the subdivision (~2kms) to leave their car plugged in there while someone else from their house followed them to drive them back home. They have become such pests. They are all Tesla owners as well.

A few of us have been suggesting to the town to do something to enforce the long term abuse of the stations but it mostly fell on deaf ears or just giving us a whole lot of: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But we have different events in that community center and people come from surrounding areas. They are rarely ever afforded the opportunity to charge when they visit because of the locals. I’ve suggested to the town to to turn on idle fees and make them more expensive than the local utility rates for homes so that people have an incentive to move their cars and also to limit free charging to an hour or two then start charging for it. They finally put up signage that fees are coming in 2024 but there’s no information published anywhere on what that will look like. They need to make it more expensive to charge there than at home so the locals will feel it in their wallets.

Bunch of nouveau Tesla owners who are too cheap to install home charging and just abusing free public stations. It’s pretty disgusting.

That's why public charging should never be free. Make it more expensive than home charging and the problem goes away.

 

[Struja]

That's why public charging should never be free. Make it more expensive than home charging and the problem goes away.

There are two factors that I think drive this phenomenon.

1. Price. Free seems to bring out the worst in people. In fact, I think days like "black Friday" prove it doesn't even have to be free. I could just be a perceived "good deal" and people seem to lose their minds.

2. Convenience. Never underestimate the laziness of others. I could write an entire thesis on this topic but I am 100% convinced you could take away a good portion of group #1, if you put chargers in inconvenient locations. This is why I have always believed the chargers in shopping malls was a bad idea or putting them right next to entry doors. I am almost 100% certain the two worst offenders in my building are driven moreso by convenience than by price.

 

[SalisburySam]

That's why public charging should never be free. Make it more expensive than home charging and the problem goes away.

Er, it already is and has always been so for Level 3 DC charging. The only departures are for those Teslas with free supercharging (an ever-decreasing number) and vehicles enjoying the Hyundai-EA agreement for 2- or 3-years. But for L2 convenience charging, I agree.