nwdiver
Well-Known Member
Toyota has annual revenue of ~$270B. Even if their H2 FUD only delays the inflection point away from ICE by 6 months it was worth the 'investment'.
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Hydrogen vs. Battery
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Toyota has annual revenue of ~$270B. Even if their H2 FUD only delays the inflection point away from ICE by 6 months it was worth the 'investment'.
And all along I was falsely led to believe that an apple fell on Newton's head when it was in fact a fig.
I take it that this car is leased only in CA. Because it looks like it can be used only in LA and Bay area.
I put in my nearest hydrogen filling station for me residing in the South East. The nearest ones were were Mississauga in Ontario and Riverside California 3000 miles + away.
I doubt that this Mirai experiment will last long. Time to throw in the towel and take the losses as write off.
Curious George
Member
They all have access to free rentals with gas reimbursement. if many of them are still choosing to drive their fuel cell cars, does that tell you something?
Is that a line at the supercharger? Even with those 4-5 cars in line, it doesn't take longer than a supercharger visit with no waiting.
May be you can convince these impatient drivers to get an electric car instead and see their reaction to supercharger horror stories?
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Curious George
Member
Oh yes. The dreaded PSPS (public service power shutdown) alert has been issued in California! Watch out for furious electric car drivers stranded at random places.
nwdiver
Well-Known Member
Oh yes. The dreaded PSPS (public service power shutdown) alert has been issued in California! Watch out for furious electric car drivers stranded at random places.
Anyone with the right PV setup can at least still 'fill-up' at home
Which is a lot more than can be said of H2 
mblakele
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They all have access to free rentals. if many of them are still choosing to drive their fuel cell cars, does that tell you something?
Is that a line at the supercharger? Even with those 4-5 cars in line, it doesn't take longer than a supercharger visit with no waiting.
May be you can convince these impatient drivers to get an electric car instead and see their reaction to supercharger horror stories?
Unless you have to drive an hour to get there. Or you get there and there's no H2 for hours, or even an entire day.
Oh yes. The dreaded PSPS (public service power shutdown) alert has been issued in California! Watch out for furious electric car drivers stranded at random places.
Can you fuel an HFCEV if the power is out?
Anyway PSPS isn't likely to be a problem. Ignore the misleading headlines and read the map.
Curious George
Member
Haha! That pretty much rules out everyone. Due to net metering, most solar panels are connected to the grid, and will be shutdown when grid has no power.Anyone with the right PV setup can at least still 'fill-up' at home
nwdiver
Well-Known Member
It's a cost effective option that's readily available on the market, I have it. You would be surprised the number of people that have backup these days. With the wind causing preventative outages regularly now that number is going to increase rapidly.
It's not even that expensive.... it can be added to SMA systems for <$200.
Where the home electrolyzers at?
Curious George
Member
Oh, btw, you may have missed a couple from the same public Mirai page that you used and I pointed out few days back. You are welcome.
I don't know if we need to cross the names, when these are on a public page anyway.
Toyota Mirai - Owners page
@mblakele ,
"Can you fuel an HFCEV if the power is out?"
I would guess yes, since gas stations and other important places often have generator/backup power. the liquid H2 stations also have to maintain power to keep it chilled.
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nwdiver
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Oh, btw, you may have missed this from the same public mirai page that you used and I pointed out few days back. You are welcome.
I don't know if we need to cross the names, when these are on a public page anyway.
Toyota Mirai - Owners page
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So.... because 'only' A LOT of people are unable to drive their Miriai that's somehow a win???? LOL! Glad you're not running the FAA 'To be fair... the vast majority of 737 passengers did not die... '
Why is it so difficult for you to accept reality?
How long before the basics are met? 20 years? 40? H2 in cars makes no sense.
Which of these do you think can be skipped and why? Clearly #4 is needed given the state of things.....
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Probably because his job depends on it.
It tells me they are not able to cancel the lease and return the cars earlier.
I have to admit I do not know about either Alexander or Ronny, can you guys enlighten me, please ?
As far as I know AC electricity was pioneered by Nikola Tesla:
Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia
You clearly didn't read the caption.
They're not all getting them. And people bought FCEVs because they mistakenly assumed that they were efficient, "green" vehicles. So many don't want to drive an ICE.
That public page is a sad story, and you know it. There are a few defenders, but the majority of the posts are unhappy about their cars and the H2 situation. As one person said, "It was a fun experiment" but they were glad they had their Nissan Leaf to get around. Toyota told another owner they should drive their wife's car. The man was single.Oh, btw, you may have missed a couple from the same public Mirai page that you used and I pointed out few days back. You are welcome.
I don't know if we need to cross the names, when these are on a public page anyway.
Let's unpack this - hydrogen shortage for months? @Curious George says it's fine. People love their cars, no trouble! A few hours of potential downtime in limited areas of the grid? Furious electric car drivers stranded. These mental gymnastics are mind blowing. I award Olympic Gold!
People are DYING to get in to cemeteries!
WannabeOwner
Well-Known Member
After reading some of the wailing on the Facebook page I have to ask myself " How can some of the owners of Mirai be so stupid. Have they got no brain cells to do some research and not see that this is not a viable car for anything other than run to the filling station and back". Did the fuel card blind them to the fact that this was a nonsensical purchase and however a tree hugger they might be, this lease or purchase does not make any financial or transportation sense.
I can accept that Hydrogen can be useful for things like city buses like NYC or Chicago that come to one central point once a day and fill up and get going. And the hydrogen station is for the exclusive use of the city buses and kept filled by the supplier. But for individual mom amd pop drivers it makes no sense.to have hydrogen vehicles.
I can accept that Hydrogen can be useful for things like city buses like NYC or Chicago that come to one central point once a day and fill up and get going. And the hydrogen station is for the exclusive use of the city buses and kept filled by the supplier. But for individual mom amd pop drivers it makes no sense.to have hydrogen vehicles.
Curious George
Member
Some insistent folks have done exactly that.
They're all getting free rental. What is your proof that some are not? Or are you also one of those here who are making up facts on the fly?
On top of that, there is this, from the top of that page you so keenly follow but were reluctant to post.
The power shutdown can be up to 7 days. PG&E isn't going to bother with alerts for a few hour shut down.
" At 10:15 a.m. on October 7th, 2019 Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) notified 29 counties in Northern California of a potential power shut off starting at midnight Wednesday October 9th and extending until approximately 9:00 a.m. on Thursday October 10th (33 hour duration). "
IDK. You can ask that question to the "I love my tesla but" crowd on this forum, who have their cars stuck in service centers while they drive crappy old gas cars or Teslas. How about a credit for the monthly lease payments for them?
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