stretchymantis
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lolis the excelerator the pedal between the brake and the accelerator? is it like an extra pedal?
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lolis the excelerator the pedal between the brake and the accelerator? is it like an extra pedal?
Wording varies by jurisdiction. For example TRANSPORTATION CODE CHAPTER 545. OPERATION AND MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES Scroll down to "Sec. 545.406.".Pedantic warning (letter of the law vs intent):
Fortunately, the gears/ transmission of a Tesla are fixed are not capable of neutral.
Would disengaging the clutch on a manual be allowed?
Yes, if it not a bus or truck:
Wording varies by jurisdiction. For example TRANSPORTATION CODE CHAPTER 545. OPERATION AND MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES Scroll down to "Sec. 545.406.".
Also, if you are so foolhardy as to do it you definitely should check with a local attorney as amendments and case law, AKA as it is interpreted and enforced by the courts, can lead to misinterpretation when just focused in on the text in a given code. Sometimes other parts of the code, such as reckless driving type infractions or such, can catch these things indirectly.
Even then, if you're coasting down a hill of any note with a Model 3 you're probably exceeding the speed limit at some point. The air drag and rolling resistance is so low on a Model 3 this is even more-so the case than usual.
Sec. 545.406. COASTING. (a) An operator moving on a downgrade may not coast with the gears or transmission of the vehicle in neutral.
(b) An operator of a truck, tractor, or bus moving on a downgrade may not coast with the clutch disengaged.
(a) The driver of any motor vehicle when traveling upon a down grade shall not coast with the gears or transmission of such vehicle in neutral.
(b) The driver of a truck or bus when traveling upon a down grade shall not coast with the clutch disengaged.
I didn't see the other post, was just running off of and responding to the particular post I responded to.Twas but a literal interpretation, not advice.
While there are likely jurisdictions with different phrasing, the wording in your link matches my statement from September of last year:
Near identical to the link I had replied to :
FWIW, regarding acceleration, a Model 3 uses around 280Wh/mile at 60 MPH. It weighs 4,000 pounds on the high end. To gain 280Wh in 5,280 feet requires a height drop of. 185.6 feet, a grade of 3.5% .
So? 6-8% grades are all over the place in the country. 3.5% is very, very tame. Things get much different when you up up there.FWIW, regarding acceleration, a Model 3 uses around 280Wh/mile at 60 MPH. It weighs 4,000 pounds on the high end. To gain 280Wh in 5,280 feet requires a height drop of. 185.6 feet, a grade of 3.5% .
1) Why do you hate your car so much that you put it into a rolling car wash?Forget driving, i can barely figure out how to put in neutral in car wash (one more reason to hand wash!)
I wonder why they made it so hard compared to other cars?
I didn't see the other post, was just running off of and responding to the particular post I responded to.
Given the a) very clearly prohibits you from putting the Model 3 into Neutral and coasting, b) doesn't really come into the matter, no?
If it said "gears, transmission, or motor in neutral", that would cover the Tesla mode of operation. Further, the existence of b) shows that using the clutch while still in gear is allowed for cars. As such, a parallel could be drawn between a Tesla in N (motor disengaged) and a car with the clutch depressed (motor disengaged). However, I think such a link would be erroneous since the clutch automatically engages if the foot is removed, whereas more deliberate action is needed to put the car back into D. Just like it takes an action to put the transmission back into gear.Sec. 545.406. COASTING. (a) An operator moving on a downgrade may not coast with the gears or transmission of the vehicle in neutral.
I was not commenting on the frequency of such grades, only the grade at which steady state speed would be reached. Those were also rough numbers, which is why I listed them out. A lighter car needs more slope, and one lower energy consumption needs less.So? 6-8% grades are all over the place in the country. 3.5% is very, very tame. Things get much different when you up up there.
EDIT: Also, you're assuming coming to nigh 0MPH at the peaks, plus the Model 3 has a lot less inherent rolling + air resistance than that at 60MPH unless you have modded it somehow.
You actually think you'd get that past a judge? ROFL It is right there, shifting D for go ahead and R for go back and N for stay put ("neutral" as you like to call it). Good luck with that.That's the thing though, Tesla's do not have shiftable gears.
With critical mistakes as I noted, including the frequency and frankly one I left out as to why you'd be doing much in the way of coasting anyway.I was not commenting on the frequency of such grades, only the grade at which steady state speed would be reached.
Yes there is, you are assuming 0mph start, at the top of the hill. You didn't understand that? The "peak" of the hill, that is. If that's what you're doing, trying to time reaching 0mph when getting to the top of the hill (well slightly above that if you have Hold on, or your brakes kick in) then you are one hellva scary vehicle out on the road.here is no assumption about speed at the peak in that calculation.
You actually think you'd get that past a judge? ROFL It is right there, shifting D for go ahead and R for go back and N for neutral. Good luck with that.
So what do you think I'd think the judge would think?Pedantic warning (letter of the law vs intent):
With critical mistakes as I noted, including the frequency and frankly why you'd be doing coasting anyway.
Yes there is, you are assuming 0mph start, at the top of the hill. You didn't understand that? The "peak" of the hill, that is. If that's what you're doing, trying to time reaching 0mph when getting to the top of the hill (well slightly above that if you have Hold on, or your brakes kick in) then you are on hellva scary vehicle out on the road.
You'd be lucky if he didn't physically throw something at you. For suggesting what your interpretation is is the "letter" of the law.So what do you think I'd think the judge would think?
Grins? They were all sorts of dumb, riddled with errors both conceptual and specific. You didn't think it through at all, you throw up half baked idea with incorrect numbers, with no real bearing on reality.Hardly critical, the formulas are all linear and I ran the numbers with assumptions for grins
Nah man its that peddle on the right. (what the heck was I thinking, like spelling break for brake)
Reading this thread long after... But I feel the interpretation battle between what the law says vs. how a Tesla operates (doesn’t have gears, etc.) a bit silly since, if you read the Tesla Owner’s manual Table of Content, it lists the D-N-R-P functions in a chapter called... « Gears » https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_s_owners_manual_north_america_en_us.pdfThat's the thing though, Tesla's do not have shiftable gears. With only one mode of operation, it is impossible to put the transmission or gear box into neutral vs drive so a) does not prohibit you.
If it said "gears, transmission, or motor in neutral", that would cover the Tesla mode of operation. Further, the existence of b) shows that using the clutch while still in gear is allowed for cars. As such, a parallel could be drawn between a Tesla in N (motor disengaged) and a car with the clutch depressed (motor disengaged). However, I think such a link would be erroneous since the clutch automatically engages if the foot is removed, whereas more deliberate action is needed to put the car back into D. Just like it takes an action to put the transmission back into gear.
I was not commenting on the frequency of such grades, only the grade at which steady state speed would be reached. Those were also rough numbers, which is why I listed them out. A lighter car needs more slope, and one lower energy consumption needs less.
There is no assumption about speed at the peak in that calculation. The 3 (or any car) will have a curve of grade vs steady state speed. If it is above that speed, it will slow down if it is below, it will speed up.
Yes to silly, but I hope it was discussion, not battle*.Reading this thread long after... But I feel the interpretation battle between what the law says vs. how a Tesla operates (doesn’t have gears, etc.) a bit silly since, if you read the Tesla Owner’s manual Table of Content, it lists the D-N-R-P functions in a chapter called... « Gears » https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/model_s_owners_manual_north_america_en_us.pdf