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Powerful in the sense that it will deliver level 5 FSD while nvidia say not even close more like highway autonomy.
This makes the "all cars have level 5 fsd hardware capability" even more of a sham.
Nonsense !
YOU have no idea what tsla (sw) can do with current hw on AP2 cars ...
Neither do I, but they did highway stuff with 40x less processor power.
Nvidia doesn't say you need two... they say you can have multiple depending on your needs. If your models are running half precision floats or even int8 then they can run significantly faster than single precision even on a hybrid half card that Tesla uses for AP2.I think the difference is that MobilEye never disputed that the AP1 software was capable of what Tesla used it for; they just thought Tesla was being too aggressive with it and weren't properly representing what it was. That's all debatable.
With Nvidia you have them stating what each of their hardware sets is capable of and what it's presumed that we have, is not near what the manufacturer of the hardware says is necessary. They say you need two of their top of the line units. AP2 cars apparently don't even have one.
So I think there's a valid argument to be made that indeed the hardware for full self driving might not currently be present in the cars and they may require an upgrade. On the flip side of that argument, Tesla may have spec'd out their own Drive PX2 from Nvidia or Nvidia might be taking LADAR into account when stating their requirements whereas Tesla doesn't see LADAR as a necessity. All of this muddies the water.
I think the main difference is Mobileye offered an end to end solution including the software and the sensors specified. The impression I get from Nvidia is that they themselves do not have a complete software solution yet and still developing their own. That's why people in general have little confidence what they are saying necessarily applies to Tesla.I think the difference is that MobilEye never disputed that the AP1 software was capable of what Tesla used it for; they just thought Tesla was being too aggressive with it and weren't properly representing what it was. That's all debatable.
With Nvidia you have them stating what each of their hardware sets is capable of and what it's presumed that we have, is not near what the manufacturer of the hardware says is necessary. They say you need two of their top of the line units. AP2 cars apparently don't even have one.
So I think there's a valid argument to be made that indeed the hardware for full self driving might not currently be present in the cars and they may require an upgrade. On the flip side of that argument, Tesla may have spec'd out their own Drive PX2 from Nvidia or Nvidia might be taking LADAR into account when stating their requirements whereas Tesla doesn't see LADAR as a necessity. All of this muddies the water.
Nvidia doesn't say you need two... they say you can have multiple depending on your needs. If your models are running half precision floats or even int8 then they can run significantly faster than single precision even on a hybrid half card that Tesla uses for AP2.
I'm not sure what LADAR is, maybe it's related to LiDAR.
I think the main difference is Mobileye offered an end to end solution including the software and the sensors specified. The impression I get from Nvidia is that they themselves do not have a complete software solution yet and still developing their own. That's why people in general have little confidence what they are saying necessarily applies to Tesla.
That's never been in the literature... the picture had two thoughEverything I saw in the early literature suggested you needed two.
DRIVE PX 2 FOR FULLY AUTONOMOUS DRIVING
Multiple fully configured DRIVE PX 2 systems can be integrated in a single vehicle to enable autonomous driving.
https://web.archive.org/web/20161118233019/http://www.nvidia.com/object/drive-px.html
Xavier boards will be available Q4 2017I think the debate on whenever you need two or not is a bit pointless.
HW2.5 is clearly two PX2 boards. The biggest question now is if HW2 of later revisions is also two boards or not, and for that somebody needs to do another teardown.
Additionally code implies hw 2.5 is not necessary model 3
I think the main difference is Mobileye offered an end to end solution including the software and the sensors specified.
For the purposes of the argument that doesn't really matter. Mobileye was able to demonstrate commercially working level 2 with the sensors specified (camera built to their specification, supplemented with radar). Automakers can go out and buy this; might not be as capable as Tesla's AP1, but it certainly would be level 2. Thus they have credibility.But Tesla didn't use Mobileye's end-to-end solution, they only used part of the EyeQ3 functionality and programmed the rest of AP themselves.
NVidia offers software tools and libraries to aid in developing semi-autonomous and autonomous cars, but unlike Mobileye, they haven't demonstrated they have all the software developed that automakers can just purchase from them (with specified sensors) to make a full Level 4 or Level 5. Nvidia's own level 4/5 prototypes are very much still under development and not anywhere near commercially ready.NVidia offers software too, but Tesla chose not to use it either. (And maybe with NVidia's software you would need more than one of their boards.)
I think the debate on whenever you need two or not is a bit pointless.
HW2.5 is clearly two PX2 boards. The biggest question now is if HW2 of later revisions is also two boards or not, and for that somebody needs to do another teardown.
Additionally code implies hw 2.5 is not necessary model 3
First mentioning of HW2.5 I saw was in 17.17.4 firmware released on May 5th. Dual px2 setup references appeared at the same time.If someone finds a difference in hardware on a 2017 HW 2.5 car, could we also speculate if these owners are more satisfied with autosteer?
From when did Hw2.5 show up? May??
The problem is this forum not respecting your privacy. Way back in 2015 I said something about some issues with my car, and I got a call from the local service department asking me if they could take a look at it. This was before I even decided whether it was worth my time bothering with.TL;DR - Tesla put a note on my file that I had disassembled the glove box and taken pictures of my ECU in May and attempted to deny a warranty claim today for camera calibration. They keep a black list.
That's a pretty serious accusation. I'm pretty sure from your location and post history there is probably enough hints to easily piece together (in about 1 minute of search I was able to find what car you have, when you took delivery, and also details about your delivery process).The problem is this forum not respecting your privacy. Way back in 2015 I said something about some issues with my car, and I got a call from the local service department asking me if they could take a look at it. This was before I even decided whether it was worth my time bothering with.
I didn't post any pictures or any way to trace the post to me. The only way they'd know it was me is if the owners/maintainers of this forum gave my information to them. Maybe I didn't click some "do not share my information" button, but I don't remember any such button.
To me this is unacceptable. I still use this site, but it's absolutely not a free speech zone.
It's more of a passive-aggressive way to talk to Tesla.
In the spirit of that I'd like to give thanks to Tesla, and my local service department for the most awesome rattles on wheels I've ever owned.
I figured something like this might happen from the back of my head. I remember thinking to warn about redacting any identifying information, but I didn't notice any VIN identifying info in the pictures, so dropped the idea. I'm guessing there is enough details posted about the car elsewhere that it's not necessary to pin down which car it is however.Update that people will likely care about-
TL;DR - Tesla put a note on my file that I had disassembled the glove box and taken pictures of my ECU in May and attempted to deny a warranty claim today for camera calibration. They keep a black list.
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Also, I take full responsibility for taking pictures of my ECU and am comfortable with those consequences (which should be zero). I just don't like the black balling of a customer. Still, they were kind and professional and I appreciated them . Maybe I'm wrong and deserve it.